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On Being a Fun, Social Guy, some Questions on Tyler's articles
bump this shit
1) Why all the emphasis on intent? If it's all just about being a fun, social, cool guy, then why all the shit on CLAW, on shock-and-awe, etc. etc.?
There are a ton of fun socially cool guys who don't get laid..entertainer man.
A bit of a paradox seemingly, but at the end of the day you are there to go home with beautiful women. So at some point you gotta step up and own shit, may seem "out of your comfort zone" at first, but just like anything else with time showing the INTENT becomes fun. For me, its one in the same.
Hope this helps.
-Bells
The point is that the claw and all that other shit is just advanced things to throw on to get the 9s and 10s quickly into bed. Just being a cool, fun, social guy should be enough to get laid consistently, and it's a requirement for the claw to work in the first place, otherwise it creeps girls the fuck out. The claw cannot be a fundamental because it requires the fundamentals to be there to work
The point is that the claw and all that other shit is just advanced things to throw on to get the 9s and 10s quickly into bed. Just being a cool, fun, social guy should be enough to get laid consistently, and it's a requirement for the claw to work in the first place, otherwise it creeps girls the fuck out. The claw cannot be a fundamental because it requires the fundamentals to be there to work
The claw : putting your arm around a girl and pulling her into you, more or less. In what sense is that advanced?And in what sense is it only for getting 9s and 10s into bed quickly... Any girl you sleep with you will have to kino escalate on, the claw is just a NATURAL part of escalation.
Just being a cool fun social guy WILL NOT get you laid without escalation or without showing intent. Hence why everyone on here is encouraging you to start doing direct approaches, and start escalating from the off.
By the way I think your commitment to this is amazing , I've been reading your FRs for ages and I do enjoy them. Please let go of your limiting beliefs, and try out a different way of doing things.
You do have to kino escalate, but you don't have to be over-the-top aggressive, pulling girls in on the opener.
Now I do plan to do more direct approaches, it's a valid exercise just to become comfortable showing sexuality
But just like knowing the best negs isn't necessary to attract, the claw or the keylock isn't necessary to escalate. Being a cool, social fun guy that's comfortable with touch and knows when to pull the trigger should be enough.
Now I do plan to do more direct approaches, it's a valid exercise just to become comfortable showing sexuality
But just like knowing the best negs isn't necessary to attract, the claw or the keylock isn't necessary to escalate. Being a cool, social fun guy that's comfortable with touch and knows when to pull the trigger should be enough.
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-First of all, that when you pull, it's less about the girl being down for sex, and more about the girl just following the warm end of the pool, the fun social energy coming from you.
-Also regularly extracting girls out of clubs is not really a measure of your game and more just an indication of you being a cool, social guy
-With regards to routines, he mentioned that they can be useful and all, but you should really be at a point where you can go to clubs and approach people and have people think you're a cool guy and they want to be around you, without having to use specific tools of active frame control
These were some interesting ideas, and I think there's a lot of truth to them.
One thing I have to ask:
1) Why all the emphasis on intent? If it's all just about being a fun, social, cool guy, then why all the shit on CLAW, on shock-and-awe, etc. etc.?
More importantly though:
I'm beginning to think that maybe this is really what it's all about. I mean, same reason I'm not getting laid is probably same reason I have few female friends or a bustling social circle. Maybe the thing is to develop is not skill with tactics and techniques and also not this intent shit, but just these passive social skills that are talked about. It seems reasonable that yes tactics are good for hard sets, and yes, being a ballsy, untamed asshole is essential to get 9s and 10s, but just being cool should be enough to hook the majority of your sets, to have a good social circle, have female friends, and fuck 6s and 7s pretty regularly. It makes sense.
At the same time, though, I did try to do that. I did go out for a year, going freeflow, and I didn't get better and hardly got results. That's why I abandoned RSD. But maybe working on your social skills doesn't just mean going up and approaching people. Maybe there are other, more active and purposeful things you can do to make yourself a generally more interesting, funny, cool, fun, social guy.
I do think routines help a bit in expanding your conversational comfort. As in, for instance, cool guys bust on girls, and if you're not comfortable with doing that, or don't know how, by using canned C/F lines you can get the intuitive gist of it as well as get comfortable with it and so start doing it more.
But I'm sure that's not the only way to work on your passive social skills.
And I'm honestly not sure why no one talks about this when it could very well be the foundation (maybe cause it's not as exciting as the latest push-pull line or aggressive kino move)
Just an idea I'm playing with. I think for the time being I'll still keep working on what I'm working on. but I'm very interesting in seeing what people think