THE FORUMS
Yeah you can always approach her later. And ask her to introduce you to her friends, than even say "lets dance" than lead her off to dance. Than make out, than say "lets get outta here".
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Thanks for the feedback dude.
I pledged to be more aggresive tonight, but i went to the club and didn't do a single approach! I'm moving backwards...not good.
I pledged to be more aggresive tonight, but i went to the club and didn't do a single approach! I'm moving backwards...not good.
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hey man you need a wing !! to motivate you
me and my wing are on a sarge mission this summer in londond, if you're interested in joining us on our nights out, any RSD man is more than welcome
contact me on superseng59@hotmail.com if you want some encouragement
me and my wing are on a sarge mission this summer in londond, if you're interested in joining us on our nights out, any RSD man is more than welcome
contact me on superseng59@hotmail.com if you want some encouragement
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hey man you need a wing !! to motivate you
me and my wing are on a sarge mission this summer in londond, if you're interested in joining us on our nights out, any RSD man is more than welcome
contact me on superseng59@hotmail.com if you want some encouragement
me and my wing are on a sarge mission this summer in londond, if you're interested in joining us on our nights out, any RSD man is more than welcome
contact me on superseng59@hotmail.com if you want some encouragement
Cool man, thanks. I'll do that.
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Outside at a pub during the day today. I noticed two HB7s drinking coffee when everyone else was drinking beer. I used the breaking rapport tone.
Me: You guys aren't drinking beer? (light B\R)
Chick1: No
Me: You aren't into beers? That's wierd.
Chick1: yeah, not really
Chick2: What...computers?! (looks at me like I'm a freak)
Me...uh...?
Chick2: Oh BEERS. Sorry, I thought you said we were wierd for not being into computers?
Me: That is what I said. You guys are lame if you're not into computers! (heavy B/R)
Chicks: (laughs)
Me: I was hoping to talk to you guys about RAM and graphics cards and shit..
Chicks (more laughter)
...Followed by a conversation about bannofee pie. I didn't push the interaction as I had to talk to my friend about some important shit.
There were 4 other dudes at the table who were not there with the girls. I noticed that when I started talking to the girls - the guys stopped their conversation and completely focussed on me. I think Tim describes this as 'creating spectators' in Flawless Natural. It felt really powerful, but I'm not sure what to do with it? I guess I could befriend them quickly and go back to the girls. Or is it better to just focus on the targets?
I also did a street approach last night at about 3am. I went up to a guy with two HB7s. The street was filled with people at this time btw. Post-bar crowd.
He was a very cool (drunk) guy and we talked about trips he was planning to take to Canada (he was going near my hometown). He introduced me to his two female friends and we all chatted for a while, but I didn;t escalate. Escalating is what I am going to work on in every set next week.
Me: You guys aren't drinking beer? (light B\R)
Chick1: No
Me: You aren't into beers? That's wierd.
Chick1: yeah, not really
Chick2: What...computers?! (looks at me like I'm a freak)
Me...uh...?
Chick2: Oh BEERS. Sorry, I thought you said we were wierd for not being into computers?
Me: That is what I said. You guys are lame if you're not into computers! (heavy B/R)
Chicks: (laughs)
Me: I was hoping to talk to you guys about RAM and graphics cards and shit..
Chicks (more laughter)
...Followed by a conversation about bannofee pie. I didn't push the interaction as I had to talk to my friend about some important shit.
There were 4 other dudes at the table who were not there with the girls. I noticed that when I started talking to the girls - the guys stopped their conversation and completely focussed on me. I think Tim describes this as 'creating spectators' in Flawless Natural. It felt really powerful, but I'm not sure what to do with it? I guess I could befriend them quickly and go back to the girls. Or is it better to just focus on the targets?
I also did a street approach last night at about 3am. I went up to a guy with two HB7s. The street was filled with people at this time btw. Post-bar crowd.
He was a very cool (drunk) guy and we talked about trips he was planning to take to Canada (he was going near my hometown). He introduced me to his two female friends and we all chatted for a while, but I didn;t escalate. Escalating is what I am going to work on in every set next week.
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Not gone out for a while but this weekend was fun. Made progress.
WARM UP
Me and my (non-pua) wing start out in Covent Garden. The first bar we go to I open a set of two girls one guy. Chatted with them for a bit but and the HB7 seemed curious, but I was not in a good position to talk to her and touch her. I hesitated in repositioning myself though and after a few minutes it seemed like the window of opportunity had closed. We went to the next bar.
SUCCESS!
An upscale cocktail bar. My wing and I were at the bar talking about cool shit when two HB8s (tall brunette and petite blond, both in little dresses) rocked up beside us. We didn t acknowledge them at all, but instead continued our conversation. As we talked I could tell they were listening to us. The more we ignored them the more intently they seemed to listen to our conversation (it was about my friend s trip to South America). After a couple minutes of this I turned to the girls and opened them. As the four of us were talking, I realised I was in a poor position again, so I just cut in between my buddy and the blonde girl so that I was beside the target. I gave her a quick and light waist claw while at it. My wing later described the move as a clear statement of intent that I wanted to get the blonde. This seemed to turn her on because because she started touching me back. I escalated and then number closed her and isolated her after about 5 minutes of conversation. I led her to the back of the club and made out with her. After about 5 more minutes i went and got the other guys and brought them back to our table (leading).
I made a point to make it sexual. After some teasing kisses from her, I told her that I could tell she was a woman who knows how to please her man. She loved this!
However, I did let the makeout session get a bit too heavy and go on to long and the tension was released. After this we went back to chodeversation. The girls had to go to a private club and we wanted to go do some more pick up, so we went our seperate ways. We made plans for a day two on Wednesday though. She seemed really up for it and I can't wait to shag her!
HEN NIGHT BLOWOUT
We went to the next bar. A cheesy, loud tourist pub. I approached a few HB7s on their hen night and it did not go well. I was on a high from the blonde chick at the previous bar and I may have had a bit too much woo and been to hard on them with the ball busting. I tapped one and said 'I want to meet you because you are dressed like an indian' (they were dressed as cowboys and indians). She gave me a bitch look of death but I just plowed through. They were in a very low state and didn;t smile much and when I busted on the bride to be for being boring, they got really defensive and rude. They clearly thought I was being the rude one though. Lesson learned: I should have gone in more chilled.
VANISHING DANISH CHICKS
Approached two Danish girls at the bar. They were cold at first and gave me some light shit tests which I didn't react to. I got them to open up and we had a great. flirty convo for a few minutes. I ejected because I had to bring my buddy a beer which I had just bought and the girls had to order their drinks. I meant to return to the girls later but they had left by the time I looked. Lesson learned: Always push the interaction, I should have gone back for them right away and dragged them over to where we were.
CLUB
Went to a cool club in East London after this. As soon as I rocked up I ran into HB7 from my social circle whom I had shagged about a month earlier. She wanted to know why I hadn't returned her texts in three weeks! I smoothed things over with her and her friends but I didn't feel right picking up girls in front of her, so we just hung around with them at the club and had a good time. After we went back to a house party with the girls and it was all social circle so I just chilled. The HB7 angled for an invite to me place but I didn't bite as I kind of wanted to end it with her as I was looking for an FB and I think she wants something more serious.
Feedback always appreciated!
WARM UP
Me and my (non-pua) wing start out in Covent Garden. The first bar we go to I open a set of two girls one guy. Chatted with them for a bit but and the HB7 seemed curious, but I was not in a good position to talk to her and touch her. I hesitated in repositioning myself though and after a few minutes it seemed like the window of opportunity had closed. We went to the next bar.
SUCCESS!
An upscale cocktail bar. My wing and I were at the bar talking about cool shit when two HB8s (tall brunette and petite blond, both in little dresses) rocked up beside us. We didn t acknowledge them at all, but instead continued our conversation. As we talked I could tell they were listening to us. The more we ignored them the more intently they seemed to listen to our conversation (it was about my friend s trip to South America). After a couple minutes of this I turned to the girls and opened them. As the four of us were talking, I realised I was in a poor position again, so I just cut in between my buddy and the blonde girl so that I was beside the target. I gave her a quick and light waist claw while at it. My wing later described the move as a clear statement of intent that I wanted to get the blonde. This seemed to turn her on because because she started touching me back. I escalated and then number closed her and isolated her after about 5 minutes of conversation. I led her to the back of the club and made out with her. After about 5 more minutes i went and got the other guys and brought them back to our table (leading).
I made a point to make it sexual. After some teasing kisses from her, I told her that I could tell she was a woman who knows how to please her man. She loved this!
However, I did let the makeout session get a bit too heavy and go on to long and the tension was released. After this we went back to chodeversation. The girls had to go to a private club and we wanted to go do some more pick up, so we went our seperate ways. We made plans for a day two on Wednesday though. She seemed really up for it and I can't wait to shag her!
HEN NIGHT BLOWOUT
We went to the next bar. A cheesy, loud tourist pub. I approached a few HB7s on their hen night and it did not go well. I was on a high from the blonde chick at the previous bar and I may have had a bit too much woo and been to hard on them with the ball busting. I tapped one and said 'I want to meet you because you are dressed like an indian' (they were dressed as cowboys and indians). She gave me a bitch look of death but I just plowed through. They were in a very low state and didn;t smile much and when I busted on the bride to be for being boring, they got really defensive and rude. They clearly thought I was being the rude one though. Lesson learned: I should have gone in more chilled.
VANISHING DANISH CHICKS
Approached two Danish girls at the bar. They were cold at first and gave me some light shit tests which I didn't react to. I got them to open up and we had a great. flirty convo for a few minutes. I ejected because I had to bring my buddy a beer which I had just bought and the girls had to order their drinks. I meant to return to the girls later but they had left by the time I looked. Lesson learned: Always push the interaction, I should have gone back for them right away and dragged them over to where we were.
CLUB
Went to a cool club in East London after this. As soon as I rocked up I ran into HB7 from my social circle whom I had shagged about a month earlier. She wanted to know why I hadn't returned her texts in three weeks! I smoothed things over with her and her friends but I didn't feel right picking up girls in front of her, so we just hung around with them at the club and had a good time. After we went back to a house party with the girls and it was all social circle so I just chilled. The HB7 angled for an invite to me place but I didn't bite as I kind of wanted to end it with her as I was looking for an FB and I think she wants something more serious.
Feedback always appreciated!
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sounds cool, what kind of openers you using, do you ever go direct?
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sounds cool, what kind of openers you using, do you ever go direct?
Hey dude,
I`m trying to use more direct openers but I still mostly go situational.
Tonight I went to a gig at the Roundhouse in Camden and for some reason I wasn`t in the mood to go direct. I opened a set of two french girls and a french guy by asking them what they thought of the different acts. This was my first approach of the night and I stumbled at the beginning which probably made it look a bit unnatural. They looked at me like I was from outer space! maybe this was due to the language difference but they seemed to think it was very wierd that I was talking to them.
I opened a very hot, late 20s, dark-haired HB9 at the bar by pointing out that there were only two beers left in the case behind the bar and telling her not to dare order them because I had my eyes on them. She jokingly tried to order them, jumping all over the place and trying to get the barman's attention. We chatted for a while, but I forgot to introduce myself and personalise the conversation so it faded away.
Then I opened a group of two HB7s by asking them about the weird hand gestures they were making to each other. This led to a high energy conversation with lots of high fives and a bit of claw as well. At the time I remember telling myself `I`m not into them enough to try and escalate`. What a rubbish excuse - as if I had something better to do on a Wednesday night!!
I also opened a set of two hot indie girls who were sitting at a table beside us outside. I teased them `You two took the only dry seats, didn`t you` The set opened really easy, and we moved over to their table and sat down when they said something interesting, which was a smooth escalation. Then my mate told them they didn`t look a day over 22. They said they shouldn`t becuase they were both 17. Holy shit, we ran the fuck away!!
These approaches all worked well, but they were really safe approaches with little chance of a blow out. By playing it safe tonight I missed out on hot girls who I couldn`t think of situational openers for.
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NO GAME NUMBER CLOSE
Day game today in central london (soho)
Approached two hot blonde chicks sitting at a table. Asked if I could sit there. Made small talk then personalised by asking where they were from and what they were doing here (and all the other questions PUAs are not supposed to ask that actually work great). Talked a while longer - discussed some commonalities. Told one HB8 that we should do something together and she gave me her number. It went so smoothly that at no point did I feel I had to use 'game tactics' on her. I naturally use breaking and neutral rapport in my convos now though.
Will update on how the day2 it goes.
Day game today in central london (soho)
Approached two hot blonde chicks sitting at a table. Asked if I could sit there. Made small talk then personalised by asking where they were from and what they were doing here (and all the other questions PUAs are not supposed to ask that actually work great). Talked a while longer - discussed some commonalities. Told one HB8 that we should do something together and she gave me her number. It went so smoothly that at no point did I feel I had to use 'game tactics' on her. I naturally use breaking and neutral rapport in my convos now though.
Will update on how the day2 it goes.
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Friday night out with non-pua friend...
WARM UP BLONDE
Approached a single blonde HB8 at the bar and she was very chatty, said she was waiting for someone. She seemed very keen to talk, in fact it seemed like she was gaming me a bit. I think that she was just being friendly though. I didn't get very physical though as this was a warm up and it was very early in the night.
MILFS AT PUB
These were hot. If you like late 30s women these were solid 9s. One blonde and one brunette. We spent at least an hour chatting with these girls about all sort of stuff and I made quite a few attempts to escalate. I did a lot of claw and waist claw, which was tolerated but not returned.
After a good twenty minutes of chat and lots of waist claw I grabbed the brunette's hand and told her we should check out the rest of the bar, and I physically started to move her. She rooted her feet to the floor and made it very clear that she was NOT going anywhere with me. At this point I realised that they were just enjoying the attention but had no intention of getting physical with either of us.
A FEW MORE SETS
Opened HB9 at the bar but couldn’t hook, perhaps I wasn’t aggressive enough. I opened her by asking for advice (about drinks), I teased her that her advice was crap and then I excused myself when the conversation dipped. Perhaps I need to learn to stay in set longer and push the interaction more. I then opened her friend and chatted for about 30 seconds but her sub communication made it clear that she did not want to chat.
As two girls passed by one of them smiled and said hi. Instead of just saying hi, I went into game mode and did a B/R cold read which turned out to be incorrect. This was unnecessary and weird and it caused the girls to dismiss me and walk off. This was disappointing but I’ll learn from it.
SAME NIGHT LAY!
Opened 3 set. Started flirting with blonde HB7 Abi and then her friend HB8 Kelly came in. Kelly was obviously very competitive with Abi and she began flirting with me. I moved my attention to Kelly. Eventually, the third friend hooked up with some guy and they left the pub. At this point Kelly said that she and I would spend the night together. IOIs don't come much clearer than that.
A random dude who was now chatting up Abi suggested a venue change (good move dude, wish I’d thought of it first). We went there for another drink, I isolated Kelly and went for the make out. Then we discussed logistics (my place was closer), jumped in a cab, went home and had sex. Had fun!
CONCERNS
Don’t get caught in the trap of speaking to hot babes for a long period of time. If they are not interested – move on!
Push interactions more: Always introduce myself to everyone that I speak to and try to personalise the conversation - use the bubble of love!
Practice more natural and dominant touching (purposeless hand of doom made a couple appearences that night)
WARM UP BLONDE
Approached a single blonde HB8 at the bar and she was very chatty, said she was waiting for someone. She seemed very keen to talk, in fact it seemed like she was gaming me a bit. I think that she was just being friendly though. I didn't get very physical though as this was a warm up and it was very early in the night.
MILFS AT PUB
These were hot. If you like late 30s women these were solid 9s. One blonde and one brunette. We spent at least an hour chatting with these girls about all sort of stuff and I made quite a few attempts to escalate. I did a lot of claw and waist claw, which was tolerated but not returned.
After a good twenty minutes of chat and lots of waist claw I grabbed the brunette's hand and told her we should check out the rest of the bar, and I physically started to move her. She rooted her feet to the floor and made it very clear that she was NOT going anywhere with me. At this point I realised that they were just enjoying the attention but had no intention of getting physical with either of us.
A FEW MORE SETS
Opened HB9 at the bar but couldn’t hook, perhaps I wasn’t aggressive enough. I opened her by asking for advice (about drinks), I teased her that her advice was crap and then I excused myself when the conversation dipped. Perhaps I need to learn to stay in set longer and push the interaction more. I then opened her friend and chatted for about 30 seconds but her sub communication made it clear that she did not want to chat.
As two girls passed by one of them smiled and said hi. Instead of just saying hi, I went into game mode and did a B/R cold read which turned out to be incorrect. This was unnecessary and weird and it caused the girls to dismiss me and walk off. This was disappointing but I’ll learn from it.
SAME NIGHT LAY!
Opened 3 set. Started flirting with blonde HB7 Abi and then her friend HB8 Kelly came in. Kelly was obviously very competitive with Abi and she began flirting with me. I moved my attention to Kelly. Eventually, the third friend hooked up with some guy and they left the pub. At this point Kelly said that she and I would spend the night together. IOIs don't come much clearer than that.
A random dude who was now chatting up Abi suggested a venue change (good move dude, wish I’d thought of it first). We went there for another drink, I isolated Kelly and went for the make out. Then we discussed logistics (my place was closer), jumped in a cab, went home and had sex. Had fun!
CONCERNS
Don’t get caught in the trap of speaking to hot babes for a long period of time. If they are not interested – move on!
Push interactions more: Always introduce myself to everyone that I speak to and try to personalise the conversation - use the bubble of love!
Practice more natural and dominant touching (purposeless hand of doom made a couple appearences that night)
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Went to a place playing house and techno. It was free entry and about half full. I walked around the club a bit because I didn't have the courage to do an approach right away. Eventually I retreated to the bar and ordered a delicious cold beer. mmm beer. I started talking to these two dudes beside me. They were polite but not super friendly. Then a hot 1940's style pin up girl type (hottest chick in the club) was at the bar next to me ordering a drink, so I turned and asked her what she thought of the club's new makeover. It was her first time there so she didn't have much to say but she was polite! As soon as she left, the two dudes I was speaking to before became super friendly to me (It seemed like succesfully opening pin-up hottie gave me some social status that I didn't have before?)
Anyway, I chatted with those guys about music for the next ten minutes while missing a few opportunities to open other girls that were passing by. I told myself they were not hot enough. Anyway, it soon became clear that the three of us had transformed into a chode crystal. I said 'I'm going to find some girls", and walked towards the dancefloor. It seemed that everyone was in a couple (especially pin up girl) so I sat down on the bench next to the dancefloor and did nothing for about 1 minute. Then a cutie sat down beside me. She was a very short brunette, an 8 in my book, I like short brunettes!
She put her drink down beside me. I said "is that for me?" in BR tonality.
She surprised me by saying "Yes."
me: "really?"
cutie: "Sure, go ahead and have some, it's vodka, lime and cordial"
So I had some of the drink, then I put it down on the bench very close to her while she was rummaging in her handbag. She knocked the drink over, and all of the precious nectar spilled on the ground!
I busted her balls about spilling the drink, calling her clumsy, etc. Then I offered to buy her a drink...that's right I BOUGHT HER A DRINK!!!
Here's my reasoning:
1) She was generous with me and offered me some of her drink right off the bat. In London this kind of coolness is rare.
2) I felt like I should not have put the drink in a stupid place. I should have handed it to her instead.
3) She never implied that it was my fault or hinted that I should buy her a drink. She just looked dissapointed that she had spilt it.
So I told her that because she was generous with me I would be generous with her and buy her another drink. I drag her to the bar a proceed to order. At this point some Italians very lightly bump into her and apologise. I decide to make a joke out of it by pretending to want to fight over it. They do not get the joke. They give me the death stare like they want to kill me and the one guy holds the other guy back etc. I ignore and turn back to the girl who doesn't seem to think this is a big deal. Maybe because I'm acting like it's not a big deal.
One of dudes grabs the credit card machine from the bartender while I'm not looking and punches in the wrong pin and then hands the terminal to me and says "There, you've been declined, now they have to call security on you because you can't pay for your drinks". I Ignore and do the transaction again (the bartender was not amused at the drama) and go back with the cutie. Then she asks me...
"Are you gay or straight?"
I think WWJD (What would Jeffy do?) I go for the makeout. She turns away, so I start kissing her cheek and her neck. This is the most direct thing I have ever done in my life btw I'm usually a huge wuss with escalation. Did she ask the gay thing becuase we had awesome rapport right off the bat, but there was no sexual tension??
Anyway we went and talked for a while. She mentioned she had a boyfriend and then eventually she went to look for some friends. I felt like there was potential there but I didn't know how to exploit it. I also realsied that she was very drunk at this stage. Should I have chased her onto the dancefloor where she was with her friends? I'd like to hear some thoughts on the drink thing also.
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