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Cool post man
I was saying the other day, the dumbest people are often the happiest
;)
Intelligence can help your life, but its so important to "shut it off" sometimes, and just go with the flow
Cheers
Cool post man
I was saying the other day, the dumbest people are often the happiest
;)
Intelligence can help your life, but its so important to "shut it off" sometimes, and just go with the flow
Cheers
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I think I have this problem too. I need to find something logical to explain everything. It makes relating to people hard because I can't just let loose. Judging is also a big issue when talking to ditsy girls...
Sometimes I purposely make myself look oblivious and dumb because I don't want to come off as a smart ass... hahaha.
Sometimes I purposely make myself look oblivious and dumb because I don't want to come off as a smart ass... hahaha.
this is just bs and if it's true what do you want to do about it? why do you put useless stuff in this forum?
Tyler personally told me and manwhore when we were all having a riot on bootcamp with the students: "You guys have the dumbest sense of humor" hahaha.
I'm definitely happy :) But I'm not dumb by any stretch of the word, just a lil bit on cloud 9 at all times and free spirited
I'm definitely happy :) But I'm not dumb by any stretch of the word, just a lil bit on cloud 9 at all times and free spirited
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this is just bs and if it's true what do you want to do about it? why do you put useless stuff in this forum?
Why do you take such offense to this? It's just an expression of an idea that Hendrix had and wanted to share with the people of RSDNation. Clearly, not all happy people are dumb and not all miserable people are intelligent. 
Good post
Agh this post makes me want to throw my computer through a window...
People on this forum ARE most likely more intelligent than the average person, and that is likely the reason they're here. That's about all I agree with. Everything else, we're giving nothing but example after example in an attempt to prove the title. Scientific method, attempting to recreate it as an experiment through examples. Nerd theory 101.
Rather than look for every example in our own lives in an attempt to prove or disprove the original post, people are failing to recognize or attempt to analyze the method by which more intelligent and less intelligent people commonly go about things... which is a far more productive endeavor.
This is a process I've thought long and hard about, crunched over endlessly and put through the ringer of my brain, which has a tendency to make simple things complicated and complicated things extremely complicated. Trying to simmer it down into something shorter than a college degree thesis will be difficult, but that's the process I've learned, and am still learning, to overcome this.
Everything starts from an early age. Intelligent people can not hide the fact that they're brighter than the other kids at the age they start testing for intelligence- it was second grade in the area I grew up in. Actually, I take that back. They can hide it, my parents thought I was mentally retarded, because very intelligent kids and the mentally inept share the common lack of ways to properly express their thoughts at that age. So, they had me tested and I was thrown into a world of advanced programs, after school gifted classes, sitting in the back of class doing advanced bookwork while the other kids had show and tell or talked about their weekends, learning basic social skills that built off what their brain just sort of picked up from being around other children. And the process began like that.
The teacher would explain a simple concept... the lesser intelligent kids would learn it and write it down and memorize it as fact. The more intelligent kids would ask why, attempting to go backwards through whatever steps they could extrapolate from the concept to make a method and understand what was going on.
A parent would say "Clean your room, work hard, study hard" and so on, the lesser intelligent would accept it as fact and not question it, building valuable productive habits. More intelligent people would attempt to figure out why these things were told to them.
Intelligence is not the problem, thinking too much is. The cognitive pattern of analyzing everything and asking the W questions- who what where why when- is rooted deep but they were not born with it. It is common in intelligent people but can exist in non intelligent people the same way thinking minimally most often exists in people of lesser intelligence but can of course be present in an intelligent person.
As a cause of unhappiness is an interesting theory, I think much of it stems from a superiority complex. That you had imposed on you many expectant behaviors to be and do so much without anyone teaching you to stand up for yourself, questioning hard work and attempting to substitute a "more efficient" way of working. I know I was told "all the amazing things I would do some day" as young as 10 years old, and remember thinking "wow that's great but how do I get the other kids to play with me?" There could be a number of other factors here, such as frustration over the one thing you AREN'T able to figure out which is being social and charismatic, self-medicating with weed or alcohol to slow your brain down to a level where you can function and appear to be on a more level playing field cognitively with other people and the bodily and thinking self-destruction that comes with that... it could be a number of things, but saying intelligence is the cause of unhapiness is, as you so honestly mention OP, a negative world view.
And what of intelligence in most people? IQ is measured on a bell curve, the average will always be 100, but it constantly readjusts to where by the same test children get smarter and smarter each generation. I heard this early and the theories on it, that even puzzles on cereal boxes were making kids smarter. Lol... yea right. In my opinion, which was as unflinching back then as it is now, is that everyone is far smarter than people give them credit for, there is just differences in their cognition and expression, in their storing and retrieving of information and recognition of patterns. Intelligence, in it's rawest form and what seperates it from knowledge- how they can test a child with almost no education in India and compare his test to a child in a supposedly advanced private school in America and compare them most accurately, is nothing more than patterns. What number comes next in this sequence? 1, 3, 6, 10? That is what tests are like... and these internet IQ tests try to throw in trick questions and the like for some reason, in my opinion wavering from true intelligence. There's a correlation but not a causation.
Anyway, before I get too carried away with that, I'd like to say something about recognizing patterns. 65/28/7- the ratio of communication, 65% body language, 28% tone, 7% content of language. Weather the percentages are right or the study that came up with it is as accurate as it can be is irrelevant to the indisputable fact that people CAN and DO pick up on these things. What is body language? Tension in shoulders says what? hands down by your sides says what? your foot facing one way says what? The combinations of your hundreds of muscles make up 65% of what you're communicating. Do people not pick up on these things? Do the way they can be interfaced and exchanged not make up intricate patterns with millions of combinations? Do what most call "the dumb people" not pick up on these patterns BETTER than the smart people? It's the same thing. Exactly the same. They just don't realize what they're doing. Difference in cognition. I'm beginning to think there IS no such thing as intelligence with theories like this. (My own theory btw)
Through this, people are more easily able to interface with others and may contribute to their level of happiness. Again, intelligence or lack thereof is not the issue but it's the easiest to blame. For some reason their cognitive patterns seem to fit better with what Tony Robbins talks about in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I Talking about this made me think of that so I had to throw it up there :)
Anyway I'll stop there... and I'll finish with saying I do not attempt to answer "intelligence" discussions with so much intelligence in my writing in any attempt to prove I'm smart, it's just the frame of mind that such questions throw me into and the one I feel I should enter to answer such questions. I do not use this sort of vocabulary otherwise and if you do a search or are familiar with me at all you know my posts go from extremely simple to... well, this sort of thing.
Also, I wish to god I could link to Ciaran's "cartography of hell" article because that changed my life in regards to this question and the original posters frustration. If anyone needs anything in this post simplified or expanded on, ask in this thread or PM me. And I'm out, peace.
People on this forum ARE most likely more intelligent than the average person, and that is likely the reason they're here. That's about all I agree with. Everything else, we're giving nothing but example after example in an attempt to prove the title. Scientific method, attempting to recreate it as an experiment through examples. Nerd theory 101.
Rather than look for every example in our own lives in an attempt to prove or disprove the original post, people are failing to recognize or attempt to analyze the method by which more intelligent and less intelligent people commonly go about things... which is a far more productive endeavor.
This is a process I've thought long and hard about, crunched over endlessly and put through the ringer of my brain, which has a tendency to make simple things complicated and complicated things extremely complicated. Trying to simmer it down into something shorter than a college degree thesis will be difficult, but that's the process I've learned, and am still learning, to overcome this.
Everything starts from an early age. Intelligent people can not hide the fact that they're brighter than the other kids at the age they start testing for intelligence- it was second grade in the area I grew up in. Actually, I take that back. They can hide it, my parents thought I was mentally retarded, because very intelligent kids and the mentally inept share the common lack of ways to properly express their thoughts at that age. So, they had me tested and I was thrown into a world of advanced programs, after school gifted classes, sitting in the back of class doing advanced bookwork while the other kids had show and tell or talked about their weekends, learning basic social skills that built off what their brain just sort of picked up from being around other children. And the process began like that.
The teacher would explain a simple concept... the lesser intelligent kids would learn it and write it down and memorize it as fact. The more intelligent kids would ask why, attempting to go backwards through whatever steps they could extrapolate from the concept to make a method and understand what was going on.
A parent would say "Clean your room, work hard, study hard" and so on, the lesser intelligent would accept it as fact and not question it, building valuable productive habits. More intelligent people would attempt to figure out why these things were told to them.
Intelligence is not the problem, thinking too much is. The cognitive pattern of analyzing everything and asking the W questions- who what where why when- is rooted deep but they were not born with it. It is common in intelligent people but can exist in non intelligent people the same way thinking minimally most often exists in people of lesser intelligence but can of course be present in an intelligent person.
As a cause of unhappiness is an interesting theory, I think much of it stems from a superiority complex. That you had imposed on you many expectant behaviors to be and do so much without anyone teaching you to stand up for yourself, questioning hard work and attempting to substitute a "more efficient" way of working. I know I was told "all the amazing things I would do some day" as young as 10 years old, and remember thinking "wow that's great but how do I get the other kids to play with me?" There could be a number of other factors here, such as frustration over the one thing you AREN'T able to figure out which is being social and charismatic, self-medicating with weed or alcohol to slow your brain down to a level where you can function and appear to be on a more level playing field cognitively with other people and the bodily and thinking self-destruction that comes with that... it could be a number of things, but saying intelligence is the cause of unhapiness is, as you so honestly mention OP, a negative world view.
And what of intelligence in most people? IQ is measured on a bell curve, the average will always be 100, but it constantly readjusts to where by the same test children get smarter and smarter each generation. I heard this early and the theories on it, that even puzzles on cereal boxes were making kids smarter. Lol... yea right. In my opinion, which was as unflinching back then as it is now, is that everyone is far smarter than people give them credit for, there is just differences in their cognition and expression, in their storing and retrieving of information and recognition of patterns. Intelligence, in it's rawest form and what seperates it from knowledge- how they can test a child with almost no education in India and compare his test to a child in a supposedly advanced private school in America and compare them most accurately, is nothing more than patterns. What number comes next in this sequence? 1, 3, 6, 10? That is what tests are like... and these internet IQ tests try to throw in trick questions and the like for some reason, in my opinion wavering from true intelligence. There's a correlation but not a causation.
Anyway, before I get too carried away with that, I'd like to say something about recognizing patterns. 65/28/7- the ratio of communication, 65% body language, 28% tone, 7% content of language. Weather the percentages are right or the study that came up with it is as accurate as it can be is irrelevant to the indisputable fact that people CAN and DO pick up on these things. What is body language? Tension in shoulders says what? hands down by your sides says what? your foot facing one way says what? The combinations of your hundreds of muscles make up 65% of what you're communicating. Do people not pick up on these things? Do the way they can be interfaced and exchanged not make up intricate patterns with millions of combinations? Do what most call "the dumb people" not pick up on these patterns BETTER than the smart people? It's the same thing. Exactly the same. They just don't realize what they're doing. Difference in cognition. I'm beginning to think there IS no such thing as intelligence with theories like this. (My own theory btw)
Through this, people are more easily able to interface with others and may contribute to their level of happiness. Again, intelligence or lack thereof is not the issue but it's the easiest to blame. For some reason their cognitive patterns seem to fit better with what Tony Robbins talks about in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpc-t-Uwv1I Talking about this made me think of that so I had to throw it up there :)
Anyway I'll stop there... and I'll finish with saying I do not attempt to answer "intelligence" discussions with so much intelligence in my writing in any attempt to prove I'm smart, it's just the frame of mind that such questions throw me into and the one I feel I should enter to answer such questions. I do not use this sort of vocabulary otherwise and if you do a search or are familiar with me at all you know my posts go from extremely simple to... well, this sort of thing.
Also, I wish to god I could link to Ciaran's "cartography of hell" article because that changed my life in regards to this question and the original posters frustration. If anyone needs anything in this post simplified or expanded on, ask in this thread or PM me. And I'm out, peace.
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Gunner is great. I'm not sure what he said, but it sounded cool.
Haha... I'm so good at killing threads. Not that I mean to! I was looking forward to more insight on this
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Gunner is great. I'm not sure what he said, but it sounded cool.
im not like them but i can pretent, the sun is gone but i have a light. the day is done, im having fun. i think im dumb, or maybe just happy... beautiful song.
and i dont really think its that you need to be dumb to be happy. its just when you can relax, knowing that you do not have to judge or compete with anybody. theres just a freedom that comes with it.
sweet post
and i dont really think its that you need to be dumb to be happy. its just when you can relax, knowing that you do not have to judge or compete with anybody. theres just a freedom that comes with it.
sweet post
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If your being smart isn't making you happy or helping you achieve your goals, it's not being smart.
Logic is not necessarily, perhaps rarely, being smart.
Logic is not necessarily, perhaps rarely, being smart.
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"I think I'm dumb, or maybe just happy." - Kurt Cobain in the song 'Dumb' by Nirvana.
So fucking true...
I'm intelligent in the traditional sense. But am I happy? No way!
I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the guys that wind up on forums like this are very intelligent. It's the sort of thing intelligent guys do - very logical. Hmm, I suck at talking to women. Perhaps there's a solution on the world wide web.....
But then - like me - a lot of us are in paralysis.
I'm personally not in paralysis when it comes to talking to women. My issues with that are long since gone. I get paralysis in other areas, like keeping in good physical shape, working on my career etc.
Then there's my world view, which ties in with the Hemingway quote.
I think the compulsive need for logic is something that results in unhappiness, since the world is full of paradoxes.
Then there's the compulsive need to judge others, constantly seeking out that "perfect" girl - the one that hasn't done anything promiscuous and doesn't have any illogical behaviours like finding "bad boy" types attractive (good luck on that one).
Both of these behaviours are typical of intelligent people. We want everything to have a logical reason.
We want to see women ditch guys that are selfish and self-centered - not chase them around.
We want to see good behaviour be rewarded - not looked down on as weird or creepy.
We want to have logical, meaningful conversations with people. The "cookie cutter" conversational cues pop into our heads, but we resist saying them because it's cliche and mundane, even though it's called "being normal".
We go to bed unhappy. We wake up unhappy. Another day of seeking out rhyme and reason in a world full of chaos.
The coolest, most chill guy I've ever met is also one of the least intelligent. I LOVE this guy.
He's simply got a learning disability. Give him a mathamatical equation and his eyes will glaze over. Give him a girl and they'll be in bed within a couple of hours.
This guy is DUMB. But everyone loves him. I look at his Facebook page and he's constantly (and I'm mean constantly) got people asking him when he's going to be in town, if he wants to hang out, come to x party etc. I know a lot of these people. They don't invite me.
It's like when you talk to him, your words fit into an exact slot in his mind. You know he's not judging you.
When you talk to me, it's like your words are being sucked into a huge, empty void. They're gone.
The conversation isn't about the words being spoken. It's about my negative world view. I could say all the same things... makes no difference.
They're at ease with him. He's not judging.
A lot of people like me and think I'm cool. Probably an equal number dislike me for pretty much no (logical) reason.
Dumb people are happy because they're not continuously seeking logic where there is none.
How does an intelligent person achieve this?
I have no idea. I guess a start would be accepting that the world isn't a logical place and that logic is not the basis for everything, but rather it is just a certain way of looking at things that is best saved for problem-solving and not socialising.
Also, dumb people (the happy kind) don't tend to judge everyone.
We should consider everybody a friend, unless they prove otherwise. I've judged people for too long, and it's just making me miserable.
In some ways I'd like to be dumb, but being intelligent also has it's perks. I guess I just need a shift in perspective to actually become happy.