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March 28th, 2017
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#31
HotBox

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JFM wrote:
I should also point out that we are in a Recession, not a Depression. Any leading economist will confirm this. Recessions are naturally stages in economic cycles. You can't have constant growth with no recession, it just doesn't work this way.
(posted by Hotbox)

Do you have any references, articles, internet clips....anything...which confirms that this is relevant this time?   What's the thinking behind what you are saying?   It seems to go directly against what the clips are saying for a ton of reasons.   I used to believe what you're saying and now don't.   SInce you still believe this....why?

I recommend you call in to Michael Medved's show (it's daily, check his website for your local time) and he will explain everything to you. Or at the very least, send him an email.

And I'm not trying to avoid the point, or slip on past you. I'm genuinely saying, call in with the points you made in your OP, and he will explain it to you better than I, or anyone else can. (Oh and, I'm a democrat, so that should go to show that I'm not recommending him because of his conservative viewpoints. I disagree with alot of his political viewpoints, but when it comes to things like this, he's one of the most informed people out there.)

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#32
JFM

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Thanks for the reference.

Here's a kind of "cliff notes" for most of what's being said as far as those who are trying to wake up the public to something that's going on.    This guy's sharp....probably not perfect.   But he makes sense and he says it in ABC terms. Short and sweet. 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVPKtVg4wk&feature=related

....it's really only for the first part of the equation.   Ending the habit of waiting for others ( the media) to say what's going on out there.   The same thing people did on social dynamics with women.    It doesn't work to give away this responsibitlity.

Actually almost all guys would deny the "alternative" attitude and behaviour towards women, identity and "natural game"  too.   Everyone wants things to stay as they believe them to be.   

How many people would believe ANYTHING on this forum?   A small minority.
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#33
Suspect

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Interesting you bring this up.

I was following another economist, Peter Schiff, nicknamed "Dr Doom" by the mass media for his predictions. He was laughed off all of the cable news networks for predicting the troubles in '08. As it turned out, he was 100% correct, and made the mainstream media look like total fools. The people who were saying "there will be no recession" are the same people who are saying "this is just a recession... we'll bounce back any day". Meanwhile, this "Dr Doom" guy is saying the same thing he was saying before, which is a more moderate version of what this Celeste guy is saying - key word, "depression"



Peter Schiff getting ridiculed while making accurate predictions:

    




You don't have to be a crackpot to believe that something big may be happening when you see:

     -"Untouchable" financial institutions - Lehmans, Bear-Sterns, Merryl Lynch, Washington Mutual, etc going belly up.
     -Circuit City, Mervyns, and other stores going out of business
     -American manufacturing institutions such as GM verging on collapse
     -The number one topic even in the mainstream media AND politics is the economy, the "bailout", etc
     -Unemployment, foreclosure, etc

Just for some concrete perspective, I checked CNN as I typed this and found headlines such as:

     "Bank failures: 13 in 2009"
      and
     "The audacity of hopelessness"



So the debate isn't "is something big happening", the only question is "how big" - and the answers range from "minor recession" to "total collapse".

I'm definitely not going to stick my fingers in my ears and start shouting "LALALALA THE ECONOMY IS AWESOME LALALALA" but I'm not running around flailing my arms telling strangers that the world is ending either. The rational, sane thing to do is be open to information without jumping to any conclusions - if the-world-at-large doesn't know what's up I'm not going to claim to have any sort of crystal ball. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, you might say. This isn't about UFOs or lizard people... just pay attention to what's happening right in front of your face, and there's no need to jump into hyperbole about shadow societies pulling puppet strings etc etc. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy for the economy to be fucked - and it's not necessarily fucked, depending on what information you have and how you interpret those facts.

No reason to be unnerved. Nothing lasts forever - it's always been up to you as an individual to adapt and thrive in whatever environment. If you can't count on the world around you to stay the same the one thing you can count on is your ability to not just survive but to make the most of and find meaning in any situation youn find yourself. There is always opportunity to not just survive but to thrive - and it shouldn't take any kind of crisis to convince you that any goal less than thriving is a serious failure of ambition.

As far as what you, I, or we should do? I'd say... same as before - the best we can. Self-actualize. Reach your potential. Become the exact type of person that the world needs most, especially in the face of a crisis. And don't think for a second that just because the economy turns out to be fine, there are no crisis in the world in need of a generation of men (and women) fully capable of meeting them head-on.

Paranoia is a waste of time, action never is.

Stay on your path, always.
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I couldn't get past the first part of the videos. I've spent my time in doom and gloom land. I had to "handle" my MIL and her sister and some guy predicting the end of the world a little over 9 years ago.

Argentina 1999-2002 Crazy crazy times. There were some protests, but, I don't think it ended up in food riots and the country didn't collapse.
Russia has been through a couple of economic crises and didn't end up collapsing as a country or with food riots. When I was in the military, one of my co-workers was married to a girl from Russia and her dad was a scientist working for the government and hadn't been paid in a couple of months and still things continued on normally.

Japan's economic crisis, the Indonesian economic crisis, even during the Great Depression in the United States, things got bad, but, the world didn't collapse.

Now, I occasionally head over to www.mises.org for the free-market champion view. If I want to get a more pessemistic view, I read Rob Precter. Anyway, I was reading in one of these places the other day and the author was talking about deflation and how everyone makes deflation out to be such a bad thing. This was the thing that caught my attention. The author said that if our perception of the Great Depression is one where prices didn't decrease, then we imagine a situation much worse than the actuality.

Additionally, one common issue with predictions is that the predictions are made in reasonably imprecise language or only the successes are looked at and not the entire record. I don't know this guy and his true record or what he said to correctly predict different things. It's not worth my time to find out.

Think on this. If an apocolyptic collapse happens, the anti-social misanthropes holed up with their guns and dogs imagine that they are the ones who will survive. But, it seems to me it will be the ones with a large social network who adds value to people who will be the one who survives, not the value sucker.

Just some thoughts.

Dan
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#35

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Rockavon wrote:
"On the other hand I've also got some powerful character defects that cloud my thinking."

Hey at least he's honest!!

"You should process Celente's opinion through the context of what you already believe, and allow time and further room for more information to enter your mind before comitting to anything.
(posted by New York)

In my opinion, this is the best comment in this whole thread. What's interesting is that there's no beef."

This is the same thing most of us have been saying, you just don't have the ability to interpret things well dude. If your so sensitive that you can't read between the lines, that someone has to be gentle with you (as New York was) to get through then you should think about getting a little tougher skin.

All a lot of us are saying is that we don't shake our world upside down because of some opinion we find on the internet. You don't blindly believe everything you hear. If I'm in a plane Im not going to parachute out of it until I know I have to and if this country becomes some sort of third world country and your really looking for ways to take advantage and evolve then there are plenty of better resources for that then the RSD forum man. Personally I don't think that's the issue anymore. THe issue is that now your ego is involved and your looking for a way to come out of this looking the least weird as possible, accessing your ego to help you try to come off looking "more intelligent" instead of admitting that your being extremely strange. What's troubling is you appear to have no filture on how you view information or what people say. I remember how your older posts use to be just you agreeing with every post, you would come on and just agree and worship the poster, it would become your reality. Now you have evolved and tend to still post to agree but at least add a perspective or twist of your own that expands on an idea, even if often it is hard to follow. The root of your issue though is no critical thinking ability, no ability to filture information.

What I say is kind of harsh here, Im kind of cramming the truth down your throat. Think about this ... would you act like this to people in person?? Have you ever stopped to think what a total jackass you will end up looking like if all this strange stuff doesn't end up happening and you end up being wrong? I mean come on man. It feels like your asking us for critical thinking skills and common sense ...a thing you obviously seem to lack ... and not just asking but poking us over and over and over .. just poking like a little child.... This thread and your replies are messed up on sooo many levels and you have come a long way since the early days of your posts but this just shows you have a ways to go. You can think your posts out well and come off intelligent but that doesn't negate these obvious personality flaws that you have. You really need to consider getting off the computer and studying all your inner game theories and conspiracy theories and get out there and socialize with cool down to earth REAL people man, it's the only way to get cooler and more ... down to earth.

Disregard what I say if you want because you feel it has some "Beef" but you really really would be better off if you listen to me. Sitting around the computer fretting about some alternative future is NOT what RSD is trying to instill in you man. If things get nasty in the future you will need better people skills, because judging from this thread your people skills need some definate work. Sorry Im not talking about the ultimate devastation and meltdown of america here, and just talking about social dynamics, hopefully you will take something from this, I could of just chalked you up as a nutjob and ignored your thread as you have pointed out that many have (1000+ views) but you remind me of a buddy of mine and I wanted to try to help you.
Great post Rockavon, you have put this down in the same words as I would like to. Your post is honest.

JFM, you really seem to get offended by these kind of post. These people are not here to offend you, but to make you aware of other insights. 
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#36
JFM

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Some great insights and new info in this thread.    Peter Schiff seems like the right guy to listen to....nothing at all to do with doom and gloom.
I totally agree with crusher.   Argentina DID collapse as an economy and the people there do go on living and have a GREAT social life.  That is a great point.
That's the second part of this.  Admitting the truth is the first....and then building a positive vibe with reality is the second. 
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JFM

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But, it seems to me it will be the ones with a large social network who add value to people who will be the ones who survive, not the value sucker.
(posted by crusher)

That to me sums up the whole second part of this.   That's the challenge.
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#38
Sheen

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We're living in coool times! In a few years the world will change as fuck.
Wooooooooooooooooooooo :D
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