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September 19th, 2017
Do you believe in God?
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#61

pasinglet

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Join Date: 08/30/2006 | Posts: 158

Who cares what anyone believes? Why not ask - do you believe in Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, Hercules, King Kong, Spiderman and Puff the Magic Dragon? The real question should be - can anyone PROVE God exists? It just so happens that there is no proof, whatsoever....WHAT SO EVER....that a God of any kind exists.

However, if by "God" you mean simply some kind of inexplicable force, or the "mystery" of the universe, then sure, I believe in that God. But that god is not a god that is AWARE, a god that has rules, a god that makes the universe "right" or "wrong." These ideas are HUMAN creations.
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#62
NO-means-YES

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Join Date: 11/26/2009 | Posts: 47

depends on the definition, I do think there is a spiritual side in our mind that if you find it you can say you found god in yourself,

but, like Tolle said, most religions started when people wanted to find that side of themselves, but ended up making  god = object, and it turned into an EGO thing,
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#63
flux

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#64

Shazam!

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Join Date: 10/01/2008 | Posts: 1295

Johnathan Sampson wrote:
I was raised Muslim and I realise the only true God is Tyler. the pick up God

say it with me: "I believe in Tyler"

TD akbar
Our Tyler, who art in Hawaii, hallowed be thy screen name.  Thy bootcamp come, thy advice be done, on earth, as it is in World Summit.  Give us this FR, our FR advice, and forgive us our AMOGing, as we forgive those who AMOG us.  And lead us not into tacticians, but deliver us from nerddom.  For thine is the nimbus, and the blueprint, and the more techniques than we can EVEN SPECULATE.  Amen.
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#65
jkdballer

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Join Date: 07/08/2009 | Posts: 194

Shazam! wrote:

Johnathan Sampson wrote:
I was raised Muslim and I realise the only true God is Tyler. the pick up God

say it with me: "I believe in Tyler"

TD akbar
Our Tyler, who art in Hawaii, hallowed be thy screen name.  Thy bootcamp come, thy advice be done, on earth, as it is in World Summit.  Give us this FR, our FR advice, and forgive us our AMOGing, as we forgive those who AMOG us.  And lead us not into tacticians, but deliver us from nerddom.  For thine is the nimbus, and the blueprint, and the more techniques than we can EVEN SPECULATE.  Amen.
rofl, this is pretty good
but if tyler is god, then who is jeffy, alex, etc?
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#66
NewLife

NewLife

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Join Date: 05/04/2009 | Posts: 647

Yes I do.
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#67
Abower

Abower

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Join Date: 08/26/2007 | Posts: 1762

Johnathan Sampson wrote:
I was raised Muslim and I realise the only true God is Tyler. the pick up God

say it with me: "I believe in Tyler"

TD akbar
LOL!
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#68

Shazam!

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Join Date: 10/01/2008 | Posts: 1295

jRad wrote:
I was baptised and raised Christian.

Whenever I read the bible I was 'scared'. "If you look at a woman with lust, you will burn in the lake of fire".

I do believe in God, but it's just a lot of the things I do daily are against Christian beliefs. If you watch porn, guess where you're going. If you have the intention of sleeping with many women, guess where you're going.

If you spend time on a forum about fucking girls and have pre-merital sex, guess where you're going.

It's all a little frightening to me. 
To vegas!  No wait, to LA!  I think I got it that time. 

I was christian when I first discovered the community.  I was also 17.  Guess who's not christian anymore?

I recommend you drop that belief system.  I've seen no proof it's true.  I also know that scaring yourself shitless and deluding yourself is NOT going to be good for your sanity, let alone skill at pickup and ability to be centered.  I can't say I've reached my ideal yet, but dropping that belief system was probably one of the better actions I've taken.  Forge your own standards and live up to them.  Hell, even if you don't get to that right away, you've at least gotten off of that bus full of crazy.  I hadn't thought about it for some time after I'd dropped it (aside from the fact that it clashed with my lifestyle of choice), but fountainhead actually outlines some of the worse things about alot of religions pretty well in fountainhead.  It's less a big attack on religion, though, and more of an attack on society and not thinking for yourself or doing what you want.  So of course religions, which practically have their first commandments as "Don't think for yourself" and "Don't do what you want" or alternatively "Twist what you want to serve the church", are caught in the crossfire.  

But at your own pace, I suppose.  If you're not ready to let go of the superstition (too afraid of social pressure not to, that was a factor for me a bit), then you can always do it later.  If there IS a hell though (this, to me, is like saying if there is a santa... I'm not at all worried about it being true), then so be it.  It's not that I'd go there for the or all that stuff, it's that I made my own path, did what I wanted, without being deterred by anything.  That would be payment enough for me, rather than living in constant denial, delusion and fear just to be part of a community and avoid some theoretical punishment of 'damnnation'. 

Also, on the concept of damnation... I mean, think about it.  Unless we retain our minds upon death, we will have lost our capacity for suffering.  It would be like trying to torture algae or bacteria... they might split, but you will be getting no emotion out of them.  And since our default state is peace and feeling good and all that shit... well it might even have the opposite effect.  And if we do, well I'm learning to meditate, so by the time I kick the bucket it will be a quite similar prospect.  Of course, this is pretty much the practical equivalent of discussing whether superman would beat batman in a fight... fictional.
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#69

berlinrsd

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Join Date: 06/29/2009 | Posts: 734

I believe in burzum
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#70

Popsail

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Join Date: 08/29/2008 | Posts: 304

Superman would beat batman.
Unless batman suddenly buys some cryptonite arrows or some shit..

And about the 'peace is your default state' -- how do you know?

You can say it's your preferred state, but who the fuck says it's the default? Tolle? Tyler? what happened to think for yourself?


I don't like the idea of believing anything just because someone else said they've experienced it.
And Tolle bypasses my thinking very neatly by saying "don't make a belief about this, experience for yourself and know".
And then you go like "oh, so you can experience it, meaning it must be true -=> i believe it"
Tolle uses a lot of psychological tricks and NLP btw.. [as i'm writing this, i'm in the state of presence. as you read this, you join me in that state].

I'm not advocating against Tolle. I think he has some great ideas.
But i also think he's lying to himself [like we all do] and trying to maintain his beliefs by spreading them around.

Being present, that is, being aware of what's going on around you AND inside you, is very important.
Believing in the "unmanifested one which is where true love comes from", is NOT important at all [unverifiable, therefore useless.]

Party on :)
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