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January 21st, 2018
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Cat

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"We aren't having sex tonight"

"I can't believe I met someone so fucking cool in such a random way" 

"I think you're beautiful and I'm a man so don't hate me for it" (grab grab grab).

"Sweetie... we haven't even been kissing and I'm hard.. its like just your smell has me going crazy.. I dunno.."

"Don't look at it"

"This is crazy, I feel like I've known you for a long time, I'm excited to go out with you again, I want to go to tea (whatever) next week and steal puppies from the park and make fun of hobos, it will be romantic"

Sounds like she was a "no no matter what" girl so IDK how helpful this is.  Was she into the makeouts majorly?  I would just keep shit super super chilled out and have all the verbals point to like chode boyfriend game with your hard dick rubbing against her stomach, more or less.  

Jelly of Monday, forced contractions BLAH
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Can you expand a little on the mindset/progress thing?
Matt281 wrote:
@Cat - nah dude that's why I brought it up. It doesn't even cross my mind to care about that stuff. Hope you got that blonde hottie; she wanted it ;)

@YBP - Thanks man. I don't know how we got so lucky with the crew. Seattle isn't really where you'd expect that to happen lol.

@Sexy - Agreed. I've just noticed a trend in mindset/progress when reading other peoples stuff. It's like analyzing individual interactions -> analysing the theme of the night and sticking points -> emphasis on lays -> stories.

Cheers dudes. I'll put up Sat when I get a chance.
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You might be right. Still, like Julien said, it's better to have the personal responsibility mindset. And look at the situation as "my game wasn't good enough to handle that situation". So then you make your brain focus on learning about your weaknesses and how you can overcome essentially meaningless obstacles. Agree? :)

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I chase down some hottie on the street. Goes well, but I think I needed Big to leave us 1 on 1 here. Sometimes we'll "double team" girls (which is awesome and something I want to talk about) but in this case it's more of an obstacle. I don't get the number, think I would have if it was just me.

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Matt281

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@roadrally - Thanks dude. That guy's legit :)

@Cat - I definitely need to try some of this more in general (not just with LMR). I think I've taken the non-neediness a bit too far -- It's rare I'll tell girls "I like you so much" or "I really feel like we have a connection" or whatever. I think that's just the result of me trying extra hard to get away from chode game earlier on, or maybe being afraid of rejection. That, and I often DON'T feel like that lol. It's often, "well, you're cute and cool enough that I want to have sex with you", not "wow I really like you".

But yeah, I do think this is a big reason I get LMR. Thanks.

@iznogold - I don't really think it's something that would be helpful in advance. It's just that as the simple stuff becomes automatic, and many parts of game become standard in your interactions, you start to focus on the stuff that stands out. Take a novice vs professional basketball player's thought process: to the novice, things like hand position while shooting, who to mark, and how do do a layup are paramount (and it makes sense for him to focus on those things). But for a professional, it's about the bigger picture of the game, or the tiny details that the novice would be wasting his time getting wrapped up in too early. Make sense?

@Dave - Oh yeah, totally agree. Nevertheless, that's not to say don't be conscious of how your wingmanship can improve :)

Cheers
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Matt281

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Monday

Good night. Trying to get back in the swing of going out 4 nights consistently.

Meet up with Big, Knoxville and Sunshine around 10 or so. It's dead, so Big and I wander to some other places to look for people and don't find much. We head back to the first spot and it's still pretty empty, but I go over to the only hot girl I see.

Just doing that first one no matter what makes such a huge difference.

A few minutes later 4 cute girls walk in and Big and I go hit them up. This one lasts a good half hour. It seems to go really well for both of us and we go downstairs and dance with them after a bit, but it sort of falls apart later. I think that with some of these beginning of the night ones, you kind of have to let them go for a bit and come back later unless it's really, really on.

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By now there's lots of people so we all hit it up. I'm still not really warmed up, but I see probably the hottest girl all night standing with her friend about 10 feet away. Fuck it, go for it.

Just the act of doing the one I'm scared of snaps me into the zone a bit. Again, state for me is mostly about taking actions outside my comfort zone.

She gives me the glare look, and I laugh and ask her if she doesn't like meeting strangers. I introduce myself and she stays incredibly resistant. She tells me her name but she's really standoffish. Her friend doesn't seem put off by me at all, almost like "hey girl, the cool guy is here now. Chill out". But my girl is complete ice. Nevertheless I stick in and self amuse for a good minute or so. Not phased at all.

It's hard to describe why this was such a cool set, but it basically told me that there will be other interactions with stunning girls (who shit test like this), and their frame will crumble and I'll fuck them. Anyway, might not seem like much but this was probably the highlight of my night.

-> Being happy with what you do, not with how other people react.

Knoxville had a similar experience with the same girl, but I think he got more trouble from the friend.

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I see another blonde hottie (maybe 2nd hottest girl there) and grab her as she walks by. It's on immediately.

I pull her in, talk shit in her ear for 30 seconds and then start dancing with her. I swear, when this stuff works it's just like you're grabbing your girlfriend (who's looking for you) and pulling her in.

Anyway, her fat friend who's on her 21 run walks by and yanks her away, even though we're holding hands and dancing cheek to cheek. I always laugh when I think about what it would be like if my friends did shit like that. Like you meet a stunning, awesome girl and your friend is just like "fuck that Matt, let's go take a shot. Hey you, fuck off!". Lol girls.

I do a few more but those were the highlights.

Debrief with the hommies like old times. I love this shit.

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1. Regardless of results on a given night, I'm always really happy with myself when act in a way that I know will produce results. You can never fully control this, but when I see myself doing something I should be doing, it's super encouraging. I can think back to the hundreds of other times I've gone out and think about how much I've improved. Knoxville said something about me seeming like a completely different person when I'm in set now. I feel that way about almost everyone who's been out consistently -- they are literally entirely different people.

2. Always crazy for me to think about how far you can go with the game. For me, it's still sometimes kind of absurd to me that I (read: ME) can take a girl home an hour after meeting her (Saturday) or grab a hottie out of nowhere, pull her in, and kill it as easy as you'd put on your clothes (Monday). I never even imagined being able to do stuff like that 4 or 5 years ago. But then you see other guys pulling 3somes, fucking several girls in a day or swimming in model-hot girls and you think of how far you can really take this. Right now I feel excited about that though, not discouraged. Seeing that elite level stuff is just an indicator of things to come.

Cheers :)
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Matt281

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Thursday

Thursday was a really slow night. Sunshine and I bounced around to a few different places and basically didn't find anything at all.

We ended up at one crowded dance spot and hit up a few there. Nothing spectacular.

The big lesson from Thursday is to find ways to have fun and self-amuse even when there aren't any girls to approach. Actually a big lesson for this whole weekend was just the fact that you need to actively pump your state even when you don't want to. Thursday we dared each other to do shit in the crowded (but lacking in hot girls) dance club. It actually reminds me of something Tyler did with us at the free tour a year and a half ago: we were all sitting after his speech, feeling fine, and he had us move around and yell and do crazy shit -- then we felt way better. But none of us had actively wanted to put out the effort to pump our own state. So that's what's needed in pickup, actively making the decisions to build momentum.

Rest of the weekend was good, especially Sat. Results were just decent, but I've noticed there's a bit of a delay with gratification. You go out 4 nights a week and hit it up hard, then 2 weeks later you're killing it. You slack off, things are good for a few weeks, then they go downhill.

Go Ravens!
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Matt281

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Friday

Head out with a civilian friend and meet up with Sunshine, Knoxville and a few other guys at one of the newer clubs. It takes a while to fill up, but we all hit it up. Sunshine hooked a hottie and I went in on the friend, who seemed to love me, then just left out of the blue after 60 seconds.

I end up hooking a tall, hot brunette girl and spending a while with her. Seemed super solid, but she ended up flaking.

The big positive for tonight was really seeing how I'm able to consistently get out of my head and get the ball rolling. I'm getting way better at this.

At the end of the night we leave the club and go hit up the main strip. It's pretty weak and I don't do too much. Run into Big at the end and grab tacos -- turns out he pulled the girl we met at the taco place last week hahahaha.

Saturday

Saturday was sick. Met up with Knoxville, Sunshine, Big and a bunch of other guys, community and non.

We got there early to avoid cover (got charged anyway... bitch) lol, and had plenty of time to get the ball rolling. I really miss showing up early like this. Just having more time to get into the swing of things helps a lot. I guess I should know that after being out hundreds of times.

First girls we hit up are lesbians. I'm about to go for another hottie when she starts making out with her girlfriend... then approach a 3rd and her fat (presumably lesbian) friend/lover pulls her away. I wonder what the fuck is going on tonight.

After I find a few straight girls things start going a lot better, but I run into a lot of married/engaged girls. Oh well, building it up.

I open a cute blonde and pull Sunshine in to wing. Starts off pretty good, but their 3rd friend comes out of nowhere and starts talking to me and blowing her blonde friend out. 3rd friend is still kind of cute but a little weird. Then Big comes in and takes over the 3rd friend, and I end up talking to the Brunette. So now I've gone through all 3 girls lol. We need to work on our coordination.

Big, jokingly after he takes his girl's number: "Take that!"
Me: "lol you can have her. is crazy!"

Oh, and speaking of crazy bitches... I run into this girl who I fooled around with and went on a few dates with a year ago. She apparently stopped talking to me because she asked me what other girl I thought was hottest... and I answered... lol. Then she's tried to hang out again every time I see her. I don't think these girls realize how obsolete they become when you have any sort of abundance.

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Sunshine is really out of it so I 30-second game him. He goes in on TWO MORE LESBIANS and it obviously doesn't go the way he'd hoped.

Me: "see dude, you're still alive!"

Funny how approaching seems to hard when you're not in the zone. Sunshine 30-second game's me right after and I'm like....fuuuuccckkkk



I go in on this hottie in her friend circle who I wouldn't have approached otherwise. Really cute spanish-looking girl. Goes awesome.

I meet the friends and try to drag in my friends, but it turns out Big has already fucked one of them hahaha.

My girl is really cool. Super happy and cute.

Her friends leave us alone and I spend most of the next hour with her, moving her around as much as I can and trying to escalate. It's so funny seeing some of the girls I approached earlier come by and stare at us. In my mind I imagine they're thinking "oh, she's way hotter than I am. I must have fucked up when I left that guy". The crazy girl I mentioned earlier is one of them, hah.

Anyway, we have a lot of fun.

Around 1:00 Big has found some girl and I've got my girl pressed against the wall. He seeds the afterparty, but my girl is apparently not down to get fucked yet. Her friends are literally in the process of walking out the door and leaving her with me when she sees them and chases them down. I don't push it too hard. We say our goodbye's and makeout.

Txting all the next day. I like this girl. Hope we get to hang out.

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We all hit up the main strip till 2:00 or so then call it a night.

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1. Just takes a lil' bit to get back in the swing of things. Every night is better than the last.

2. What was interesting about hooking the hottie that I spent most of the night with was that I wasn't really that "on". Normally when a girl leaves her friends for the whole night I'm killing it really hard, but it was just pretty normal. I guess that's a good thing. Normal = solid.

3. What I was telling Sunshine as we were walking home is that, although I still want to get better and better at this so fucking bad, I would literally still do this same thing if I could never get any better. This stuff is FUN man. What else would I be doing on a Saturday night?

Cheers
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Matt281

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Sunday

Is it just me or does effort always pay off?

I confirm plans to meet up with the girl from last Saturday. Drinks. 9 o'clock. Half a block from my house. Boom.

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Earlier on my Mom and her friend are visiting me, and I give her friend my phone to search for the restaurant.

Apparently trying to search for "yellow pages", she opens my txt conversation with the hottie from Saturday night and txts "yellow pagans". Rofl. That was interesting to explain.

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Anyway, I meet up with the girl from last Sat at 9. Typical stuff. Don't have to do anything special. Dates are getting easier.

I pull her back her to watch the Wayne Brady skit on Chapelle show and start making out with her.

She gets into it and I lift her up in the air and press her against the wall. Over to the bed. My shirt, her shirt, my pants, her bra, her pants, whip dick out, finger her. She is ridiculously tight.

She goes down on me and I pull her up to fuck her. She is tighter than anyone I've been with. I don't know if it's even going to work.

A minute later she goes down on me again and I let her take her time and work it. Bust in her mouth and she swallows, then licks my dick clean.

We fool around a little more and throw on a condom and some lube.

Me: "let's just try and see if we can"
Her: "okay"

I get it about 3/4 of the way in and work it for a minute or two but can't really fuck her properly. After a couple of minutes she has to stop me :(

She gets on her hands and knees and starts sucking me off again. I fuck her cute little mouth then bust again and watch her clean my dick off with her tongue. Love it.

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1. Girls love dick.

2.. It's funny because you basically always get exactly what you put into this. Last few weeks I didn't go out much, this week I hit it up 4 nights and results were great. What's even funnier is that I keep thinking I can slack off every time I have success and just ride the wave, but the reason I have the success at all is because of stepping up. So yeah, last night was fucking great... time to hit it up hard 4 night again this week.



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Burton2

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This makes it clear to me what I gotta do when I get a girl in my bed. We make out but we just keep making out I gotta lead more like you do.
I can't get past taking her clothes off and all that shit. I'm sure if it was a hotter girl it would be different but ugh she's kinda chubby in the stomach area and I don't really wanna see that.
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LethalLex

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What you put in you get out. So simple and so true.

It's retarded that some people think there's some quick-fix-solution that's gone make them a pimp forever and they'll stay like that forever. Hah.
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