THE FORUMS

April 23rd, 2018
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Matt281

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lol 3rd night in a row I've got home at 4:00 or 5:00 am.

Converse and I pulled the last two nights but no dice either time. Definitely getting more consistent with the pulls though... just gotta make sure it's really "on" before you get them back.

Good nights nevertheless. Hitting up hot girls with some awesome friends; what could be better? :)
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Matt281

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Friday

Ended up going out downtown despite it typically not being as good on Fridays. Met up with SexyMachine, Knoxville (muzzi17) and Brother, then ran into some of the other guys later.

Sexy opens a group of 3 at a table. Only one of them is cute but I wing it just to get my social muscle going. We talk for a bit and find out they're all married.

I bounce off to two girls Knoxville is talking to... turns out they're two girls from the street 2 weeks ago when I was on fire. Funny doing follow ups because you really get a better idea of what happened the last time. Turns out Knoxville knew them and I just came out of nowhere last time and beasted on the hot friend lol... I had no idea, but it went awesome :)

Bounced around more, opened more shit. There's literally like 10 community guys out but I mostly go solo. It's actually really hard to do this when you're with too many people.

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I hit it up by myself a bit more then go find Converse, who is owning a 5 person mixed set by himself lol. I say hi, leave him for a bit, then run into one of the girls from that group a little later on the street. Beast, etc.

Converse has convinced everyone that he's gay, despite the fact that he's making out with one of the girls. I play along and say we both are, but they take it really literally and think we're bisexual. This is fine for Converse, but sucks for me cause I haven't made out with my girl yet.

Bars close and we all go outside. Converse runs and gets his car while I make sure they don't leave. The two guys are still there with us. One of them is trying to hook up with my girl and it's weirding her out. I keep having to step between them and shit.

Converse comes back with the car and the guys get in too. At this point I didn't realize they weren't really with the girls -- we should have just yelled at them to get out.

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Drive back to Converse's place. I can't do shit given the situation. My girl is upset about the other guy that came with us, and torn about her friend hooking up with Converse. I decide to just try to wing it and let Converse do his thing.

So it's me, my girl, another girl with a boyfriend, and two random guys. Converse and his girl have disappeared into the office.

I try to calm the girls down and change the subject, but one of the guys has the bright idea to get all confrontational with them about whether to let their friend get fucked or not, and of course they freak out and go bang on the door.

More drama with the guys. I don't really know what's going on. The girls lock close themselves in the office and want us to kick the other two guys out. This takes a good 10 minutes to do.

Girls come out. Mine likes me but nothing's going to happen. Converse will probably fuck his girl later this week.

They leave. I walk home at 4:00 am. The end.

:)
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Yeah man, likewise :)
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Saturday

Cat comes over to my place and we chat a bit, then head out a little before 11.

On the way there Cat stops 3 girls and hugs ones of them. Everyone inciuding me thinks they know each other but he's just been smooth as fuck. Turn's out Cat's girl is engaged but I grab the number from my girl before we leave them. Easy.

Cat hits up a bachelorette party and I piggy back some more. There's a funny exchange about Cat being the social one and me being the shy guy... kind of had to be there lol. I occupy the girl who's getting married for a few minutes while Cat beasts on her friend.

After a minute or two though I start getting distracted by this fucking STUNNING girl in another bachelorette party. I hesitate... fuck, have to do it. I go over and introduce myself, and immediately the bachelorette girl from that group barges in and tries to get me to do something on her list... and I lose the stunner. Man, this girl was one of the hottest girls I've seen out in a looong time.

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We run into Brother and Knoxville (Muzzi17) along with a few of the other guys. We all hit shit up. I go wing one for Brother. Some surprisingly hot girl in her early 30s. I actually do really well and she's into it, but she can't get over the age thing.

I open another hot 28 year old. Get blown out by age again. You've gotta be pretty "on" to blow past that one sometimes.

Cat's heading back up to the hill cause he forgot his ID (we know the staff in the bar we're in but he can't go anywhere else), and Adjunkie and I decide to head up there too since we've basically burned the place to the ground.

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This was the main one for the night.

We get to the first bar on the hill and I immediately approach a cute dirty blonde girl. I tell her she looks familiar because she does. Turns out we went to the same college. Adjunkie wings the friend but they don't get along as well. He leaves after a minute and I talk to both of the. It's solid.

About 5 or 10 minutes in, I find out she just started working at the same place I do like a week ago (lol). Small world.

We stay in that spot and talk for literally another half hour before I decide I really need to move them. I call up Converse and pull them to the bar he's at so he can wing the friend. We go find him downstairs and he's in with the friend in no time. He pulls her over to another part of the bar after a minute or two and we both get some one on one time.

I'm kind of psyched out about escalating too hard because of the whole work situation, but I play it solid nevertheless.

I really didn't think we were going to be able to pull this one, but Converse seeds it and we just go for it. The coolest thing about having a wing and pulling two girls is that it makes pulling way easier. We basically just ask each other if we're going back to his place, agree, then assume the girls agree too and lead them out by the hand.

Also, moving girls around before the pull is so fucking important. Converse does this like clockwork.

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Anyway, we go back to his place and each get one on one with our girls. Converse says he's not really that into his but he's happy to wing it. I explain the work situation and that I'm not going to try to fuck her tonight.

We chat a bit more and try for the makeout at the end. She won't right now because of the work thing, but says that I should call her.

Good night. Hopefully I'll close this one on day2 or day3.

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Sunday

The girl I fucked 3 weeks ago texted me late Saturday night (I'd mostly been ignoring her) because she saw me out on the hill. I have nothing else to do tonight so I had her drive to the city and meet me at a bar next to my house. We grab a drink, walk around some for good measure, then pull back to my place and fuck. This girl really isn't that hot but whatever. Once you no longer attach your identity to any one girl you have sex with, it's not really a big deal.

What's crazy though is that given where she saw me, she must have seen me holding hands with another, hotter girl leaving the bar. It's basically the same thing Cat and I were talking about: girls want THAT GUY. They don't care what else you're doing, although logically they might not like it. I need to give myself permission to do whatever I want to do and trust that girls will be down anyway.

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1. One thing I'm really grappling with lately is the extent to which the difference between fucking stunners and fucking other girls is in my head, vs the extent to which it's real. It would be naive to say there's absolutely no difference, because beautiful girls obviously have a completely different subjective experience of reality. They get cat-called constantly, everyone constantly tells them how hot they are, and they get hit on a lot more. However, many of the percieved differences just come from people not having the entitlement to treat gorgeous girls exactly like anyone else. Like Tyler says, the manifestation of entitlement is basically just how hot of a girl you can act normal around.

Thinking back to some of the hottest girls I've approached, got numbers from, or gone on day 2s with -- it does feel like a different ballgame, but I think most of that is self-constructed. I really wonder, if I acted exactly the same as I do with girls I don't really care about, would the same thing happen? It's quite possible.

The more you do this game thing, the more you realize that everything has to do with YOU rather than anything else. As you change, the world around you changes and your experience will change.

Cheers
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Matt281

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Yeah man the more you can just express yourself and not let how hot she is phase you, the more this stuff starts to feel effortless. That's why the old "be yourself" advice is great, but no one gets it. Sure you need enough experience that you know how to escalate and pull, but otherwise it's mostly just having the entitlement to act like you would around anyone else.

Also, regarding moving girls, it doesn't even have to be a high point. Just capitalize on any excuse.

"Oh there's an outside area? Let's go see"
"Oh your feet hurt? Lets go sit down"
"Lets go meet my friend at x bar"

etc, etc.
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Forgot my wallet at work today so I couldn't go out tonight :( Monday's are so good too...

Anyway, using the time to try to be more productive. I'm focusing on the 6 month goals I started last Sunday.

1. Game - hitting it up hard, pulling a lot although not closing the deal. I'm on the right track, i'll get there.

2. Workout - got a 40 kg get up so 44 kg should be easy. The eating has been the hardest part. It's really hard to eat a ton when you're already full.

3. Jui-jitsu - found some good places. I probably won't start for a few months though.

4. Reading - Just finished the first of the 12 books: The Smarter Science of Slim

Here's my review. 4/5 Stars.

The author does a great job of dispelling common weight loss myths and so on. Long term weight loss has very little to do with calories, and weight loss/gain is mostly based on hormone function rather than energy balance. Having already read Good Calories, Bad Calories, there's a lot of the same ideas (this book was very similar, except more accessible to the average reader and not quite as in-depth), but good ideas nevertheless. Everything in the book is well supported by clinical research, which is what makes it worth reading in the first place.

However, the book is really just tailored to weight loss. There isn't a lot about health, and some of the recommendations pertaining to health aren't supported by studies like the weight loss material is.

The exercise protocol is very similar to the Body By Science exercise routine. While clearly supported by research as being great for fat loss and muscle gain, I think the author runs into a typical problem here by focusing too much on the research and not enough on the practical aspect of exercise. Practically, people are all jacked up. Most people can't move properly, most people can't stabilize well under weight and most people compensate and end up injuring themselves. For instance, if you compensate for weak glutes by using your quads more, you're just going to make things worse by making your quads stronger. Or if you have an anterior pelvic tilt, and you do pushups or overhead press without guidance, you're probably going to fuck yourself up.

Overall though the book is solid and I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to lose weight. If you're more concerned with health in general, read Deep Nutrition and Perfect Health Diet. If you're more of a nutrition buff, read Good Calories, Bad Calories.

Cheers.
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Tuesday

Had my cherish over. I hadn't seen her in about a month and she finally brought up that "what are we?" thing. Turns out she's fine with not being in a relationship and just doing what we're doing.

One of the lessions that I keep learning over and over is that traditional ideas about dating and what women want are SO WRONG. I need to give myself permission to be what I want to be, and stop worrying about following the flawed achetype of what attractive men are supposed to be. Funny enough though, this will probably be one of those lessions I keep having to learn.

It was actually quite nice to have that cleared up. We were a lot more open about shit and we talked a lot about sex and sexuality. Surprise, girls love dick.

She also told me some funny stuff about when we first met. Apparently I ripped her the first time we had sex lol.

Anyway, we fuck a lot and stay up until 6 AM. Crazy how much more enjoyable this was than the lay on Sunday. I really just want to make a point from now on to fuck girls who I really want to fuck, and not do it for "numbers" or validation. We have a good time together and the sex is great.

Cheers
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I laughed so hard at this.

I could hear your voice saying it.  Hilarious
Matt281 wrote:
Tuesday

Had my cherish over..

Surprise, girls love dick
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Thursday

Went out with Brother and Sunshine and met some of the other guys out. We get to the club and I chode out for a bit, then start talking to this moderately attractive black girl leaning against the railing. This interaction was interesting because it went from shield to, "oh maybe you're that guy" to "oh nevermind you're not feeling good [yet]". Hmm.

Sunshine starts talking to a girl he opened earlier and I open her friend. Me: "My friend is hitting on your friend so I'm going to hit on you" (this is gold by the way. Trademark :P)

It opens well. It's one of those ones where she likes you from the get-go so whatever you say will work. Sunshine phases out and Tiger comes to wing the friend. We sit down on the couches together and vibe for about 10 minutes, get the number and part ways.

The place kind of sucks and I want to go up to the hill and meet up with Cat and the other guys. Brother makes himself do one more before we go. I fucking love watching this guy. The second he commits he looks like a soldier charging into certain death.

Some other player guy is talking to the girl I just number closed. I tell Sunshine I need to do this one before I go. I go in, screen him out and hug her, then move between them and stay in for 30 seconds or so. It doesn't go particularly "well" but that's not what I was going for. It was just something that needed to be done. I need to get used to blowing other guys out.

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We head up to the hill and run into Cat, who is beasting solo. I hit up one or two more.

Outside the main dance club I see Cat roll off this girl who's walking but won't stop. I go after her and stop her, put my arm around her and we keep walking down the street together. Silky smooth :) Here's a pic Cat took.


Cat: "that was retardedly gangster"

Turns out I met her like a month ago when I was out. I take her around the corner, vibe and sweet talk for a minute and try to kiss her. She pulls away. Another 30 seconds and she lets me. Makeout.

I get her number "in case I lose you" and we head back to the dance club to try to find her friend. I leave her alone for a minute. There's another guy with them that wants her. He's not threatening enough for me to have to do anything.

I go back outside and find her and her girlfriend. Her friend is wasted and hideous. I'm holding them both, one under each arm. The friend bites me (is it just me or do girls do this A LOT?). I'm afraid I'm going to get rabies.

I pull my girl across the street and meet up with Brother. I tell him we're taking them to the afterparty. We need to give Tiger a ride home too. Turns out he's shopping for groceries.

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The 4 of us go meet up with Tiger and my girl says he friend is too drunk and we need to take her home. We take them back and I tell her to come over after she tucks her friend in and that I'll txt her my address.

Me: it's 6969 ComeGetFucked St.
Her: She's sick damn it! Lol. I wish I coud. you should have stayed with me ;)
Me: I still can lol. What's ur address?
Her: Well you still can... 555 ComeFuckMe Ave.
Me: Okay we're almost to my car I'll come in like 20 :)
Her: Great :) Call me when ur here

I get back, drive back up there and call her 3 times. No response.

Shit. I go back home and get this in the morning:

Her: Oh my. I'm so sorry. I brought my phone to bed so id hear it. Fell asleep and it was on silent! Damn it. I'm so sorry
Her: I'm sorry! I really wanted to hang out last night too.

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I'll put up Friday in asap.
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Friday

(Continued from Thur). As much as I wanted to go beast, I had to finish what I started on Thursday.

I tell her to come over at like 10pm after I get off work. Her call is wheel locked from parking tickets lol. Her friend drops her off at my house haha.

Having lost (and found) my wallet earlier in the week, my cards are cancelled I I have no money. I tell her this and we just open a bottle of wine at my place. I still have no wine opener (this has happened like 3 times), so I open it with a knife and it explodes EVERYWHERE. Oh well, emotional rollercoaster ride?? :)

We sit, drink and chat. It's so on.

She's mostly Swedish and has bright blue green eyes and dirty blonde hair. Her dad's a pastor; she's only been with two guys.

We finish the wine (well sort of, girls never finish drinking their glass) and start kissing. I pull her down onto the ground. I pull her sun dress up and take my shirt off. Quote of the night:

Her: "I've never done anything like this before... *long pause*... I guess that's probably what everyone says."

I lift her up and press her against the wall, we mouthrape each other, then I throw her onto the bed. Pants off, dick out.

End game rule #1 is Go First.

I pull her dress up and she takes it off. I put her hand on my dick. Bra off. She has absolutely amazing tits. I don't know how I didn't notice this under her dress. Easily D cups -- I can't even get my hands all the way around them.

I make her suck me off, then pull her back down on the bed and fuck her. I can tell she's inexperienced but it's good. We have some interesting pillow talk, then use up the rest of my condom stash.

I get less than 3 hours of sleep, drive her most of the way home at 8:00 AM, then go to work lol. I'm walking around red-eyed laughing to myself because none of these people know what just happened a few hours before.

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1. How could anyone be content with a normal, boring life knowing this is possible? If you're reading this and you're not quite there yet, don't even fucking think about settling. Life is what you make it. Make it good.
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