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Haha honestly I think I'll have plenty left over. No student loans, no car payment, no cable, iphone, no nothing. Plus I'm making pretty decent money online, and my job jumps up to 3000+ after the training period.

But yeah, sugar momma would be good. You know any? :))
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You live in city now, just look for the divorced cougars driving around in Maserati and dressing like 21 year old hot chicks.  Or, the the rich daddy's girl all dressed up in hipster gear, pissed off at their daddy and the world.  It's a totally different level of game, full on scumbag pimp living off girls. Can you handle the drama?
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Haha sounds like the next step up from cherishing so that I don't have to sleep in my car :) 
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Saturday - Part 2

Ok where were we.

I get a text from the girl I almost closed on Thursday and Converse and I hop in the car and go meet them. 4 girls and a guy, all on a trip from out of state. I spark things up again with my girl and Converse wings it. He ties with the hottest one first but she's sober and obviously not down to get fucked tonight, so he moves onto the girl Adjunkie was with on Thursday. She loves him.

We stay at the bar until closing and then pull all 5 of them to Converse's place.

It seems like a perfect setup. The two other girls and the guy are taking an early morning plane and our two girls don't have to leave until the next evening. Everyone kind of gets the idea that they're staying over and the others are leaving. We joke around, drink more, they smoke out on the balcony. Everyone is having a good time. The guy likes Converse and is rooting for both of us now. Converse escalates with his girl and I'm making out with my girl while she's sitting on the counter. I pick her up and bring her over to the couch. More comfort and connection and making out. Converse is slow dancing with his girl.

The other 3 start getting ready to leave and our girls talk. Turns out they want to go with the rest of the group. I try to get mine to meet me later and at first she says she will, but then it ends up more like "maybe". They leave. Not quite sure what happened. Either my girl didn't want to go through with it unless her friend did, or they just weren't really down.

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The next day:

Her: ah sorry they were holding me captive
Her: you should come visit in xxxx
Me: Lol not a chance

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1. Goes to show, it's never certain. Converse said I probably just need to qualify better. I think I probably just need to make it a more validating experience for her. I think I chased too much on this one because I thought it was a sure thing. I need to maintain the frame that I'm the prize and that I'll just go fuck someone else if she's being difficult.

2. Work starts Tuesday. Only going to go out one night a week for the first few weeks, then ramp it up to 3 again and hopefully even more eventually. I should be able to get an afternoon shift and eventually do 4-5 nights a week if I want to. Might be mostly cherishing and going on day 2s for the next few weeks though.

Cheers
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Loving my job, loving life. Girls from before are hitting me up randomly. Attraction seems effortless.

It's funny, it's just like they say. When you really start to get the things you want in life, you start to question yourself. Am I just lucky? Do I really deserve this? Did I create this, or did it just fall in my lap? But truly, there's no mistake here. I am fucking happy because I went out and worked for what I want.

To anyone reading this: life is whatever you want it to be, and I don't think there's any better way to spend it than learning, growing and pursuing the things that make you happy.

Cheers.
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Friday

Me, Cat and Knoxville
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Knoxville and I head to a spot near Cat’s house and he starts hitting it up hard. I chode a little then open the hottest girl there when she goes to get drinks. Goes fine. I can’t decide whether to take risks early on, because on one hand, I don’t need to be try-hard for these girls to fuck me, but on the other, I certainly don’t want to play it safe.

Anyway, Cat shows up and starts beasting. He throws me into a 3 set which quickly becomes a 10 set of all girls. The 3 of us bounce between them trying to find one that’s both hot and down. I do relatively well with a hot blonde girl but lose it. Don’t get to talk to the girl I wanted cause Cat and Knoxville are on her.

I open a relatively cute tall blonde girl. Hooks well, and I talk to her for a bit. Cat isn’t feeling well and takes off =( This set was solid but she wasn’t hot enough to get a number and chase.

Knoxville and I don’t like this area much so we decide to go downtown.

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I hit up a hot black girl sitting down. Actually thought she was the girl from last weekend until right when I opened her. She’s nice but not into it enough for me to take her home.

Another black girl. Has potentially but friends pull her away.

Hot asian girl standing alone waiting for her friend. I kill it. I tell her asian girls don’t normally like me. After about 2 minutes she’s super into it, but then her friend comes out of nowhere and says they’re leaving, and starts dragging her. Knoxville jumps in and takes a blowout from the friend, which gives me enough time to get my girl’s number. What a boss :)

I do one or two more, then this absolute stunner (who I see every few weeks) shows up and I get super outcome dependent. It really fucks with my head, because I’m trying to make it about the process, but I want HER so fucking bad.

I ALMOST do it as she’s starting to make a phone call and looks up at me, but I bitch out.

The big lesson of the night is essentially that I can’t have it both ways. I can’t make it about the process and about the girl. It has to be one or the other. Obviously focusing on the process and just doing it is ideal, but if I’m going to make it about the girl (and bitch out because it’s a hard approach and I care too much), then there’s absolutely no reason for me to worry about approaching anyone else. She was the only girl in the venue that I really really wanted, so there’s absolutely no reason to be attached to the outcome of any other approach. Can’t have it both ways.

I suppose the best thing in these situations is to just do it. My brain is incredibly opposed to it because it wasn’t an easy approach and there aren’t a lot of girls in this city as hot as her, but you miss every shot you don’t take. I rationalize that I should just wait until I see her again and I’m in state or the approach is logistically easier, but I think I’ve just got to try.

There’s no way to get the hottest girls or feel entitled to them if you avoid approaching them.

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Anyway, we do some street game. Knoxville makes me do a hot 3 set that’s about to cross the street. Sometimes I need someone else to push me to do stuff like that.

And that’s all she wrote.

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1. I need to do logistically difficult sets more. I miss a lot of opportunities and fuck with my momentum by waiting for easy opportunities.

2. I have to make sure to ALWAYS approach the very hottest girls. This is actually less of an issue for me than most people I think, because I do consistently hit up the dimes of the club, but I avoid ones that look too difficult and when I fixate on one girl that’s a cut above the rest, I tend not to approach her.

3. I think the core issue is that, now that I'm pulling pretty consistently, it's way easier to get outcome dependent. Even with the 9.5/10 girl, I know I'm the kind of guy she wants to meet when she's out. I guess that just puts a lot of pressure on me to perform, since I know it's possible.

Anyway, good to be out. Just one more brick in the wall.

Cheers.
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Saturday

Sunshine's Bday. We go out to eat then get into the club free with mostly dudes haha. I chill, dance and hang out for a bit, but I feel like after you learn to pick up girls, you can't have fun at a club doing anything else.

Anyway, mostly a pretty rough night. I get blown out a lot, stall out a lot, and so on.

Hook one hot blonde girl for a bit. She shit tests me like crazy. I'm unreactive, but it phases me enough that it interrupts my train of thought and I can't spit game as well as usual. I get bathroom'd after about 10 minutes, couldn't tell if it was legit.

Also hook a relatively attractive dirty-blonde from california. She's only here for the night and she's with a bachelorette party. Can't tell how into me she is. These ones are tricky, because on one hand, you can miss out on a pull because you're not persistent enough, but on the other hand you can waste 2 hours of your night and get nothing.

I approach most of the hot girls near the end. Really out of state.

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1. Amazing how much variation there is with results in this. It's not even that some nights the girls are more responsive and some they're less responsive. It's all me. If I'm feeling on I feel unstoppable, but if I'm not, I feel like nothing works.

2. Before I go out, I need to be clear about what I'm going to do. A lot of times I just pump my state a bit and hope things fall into place and I get in a good headspace. This is really inconsistent though. My best nights tend to be when I make a commitment to really push myself.
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Hey what's up bro!!  Just got back from my canada trip.  I also had a "trip" trip the first night... if ya know what i mean ;)  I realized that of all the people I go out with, you push me the hardest to become better.  Of course, our crew fuckin rocks and everyone contributes their own energy, so everyone is offering something.  But, you push the shit out of me to grow in this.  Thanks for that bro.  See you this weekend!  Great see everything is going so well for you out here.
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adjunkie wrote:
Hey what's up bro!!  Just got back from my canada trip.  I also had a "trip" trip the first night... if ya know what i mean ;)  I realized that of all the people I go out with, you push me the hardest to become better.  Of course, our crew fuckin rocks and everyone contributes their own energy, so everyone is offering something.  But, you push the shit out of me to grow in this.  Thanks for that bro.  See you this weekend!  Great see everything is going so well for you out here.
Thanks man, that really means a lot. I'm glad whatever I do motivates you, since you certainly motivate the hell out of me. Not many people will consistently go out 4 nights a week, rain or shine, crew or no crew. Then again, not many people are killing it as hard as you are either :) See you this weekend bud.

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Little update.

Second week of work. Absolutely loving it. It's going to be way harder than I originally thought but there's more potential for growth and a potentially to make a hell of a lot more money than I thought at first. Not many people have the option to make that much money doing something they enjoy. To be honest, my participation in this community has unquestionably contributed more to where I am now than any education I got. What started as (and still mostly is) something about having sex with hot girls has dramatically changed the direction of my life as a whole. Can't thank you guys enough -- especially the crew I go out with. You guys insipire the hell out of me.

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Other random shit.

-Had cherish over last night. As she walked in I just pressed her up against the wall, started escalating, lifted her up on the counter, then carried her over to the bed. I'm making a point to do exactly what *I* want when it comes to sex. Doing this fully is much harder than it sounds. I think the best sex, for both people, comes from the expression of your desires, not trying to turn the other person on or figure out exactly what they like.... or maybe I'm just reading too much Atlas Shrugged :)

-A couple really hot girls at work, one absolute stunner from Cali. I find myself falling into some of the same patterns I did in school. At the core it's just an entitlement issue. There was a Brad quote that went something like "How do you feel entitled to a certain calliber of girl? Fuck 10 girls like her". That's sort of what I'm thinking. I don't know if there's a practical way to have that "she's just another girl" attitude until I've "been there, done that".

-There's a big difference between what you feel entitled to on a logical level and what you feel entitled to on a gut level. On a logical level, I feel like I do deserve the cream of the crop. Last weekend Knoxville said something like "I can just see you with girls like that", which really stuck with me. I can sort of see it too, but not on a gut level. When I moved up here and got a good job, I finally got rid of some of the logical reasons why I shouldn't be with those girls ("you live out of your fucking car"), but to my surprise it really made no difference in how I feel toward them. If I was a better writer I'd explain how this relates to my values, superficiality and social conditioning, but anyway, I still don't feel fully entitled to the "cream of the crop". Entitlement needs to happen on a GUT LEVEL. No amount of reasoning "I'm good enough for her" will do it. It has to be a conviction.

Still loving life. I can't tell you how amazing it is to want something so bad and be in the process of getting it.

Cheers
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Friday

Out with Sunshine and Knoxville.

Did a bunch of a approaches, only one of which I really want to write about.

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I hit a few up early and then we head to the main social hangout bar where I do a few more. 4 hot girls walk in, one of which is absolutely stunning. Hands down one of the hottest girls I've seen in real life. 5'10, thin, great body, perfect face (I'm a face and waist guy, but this girl pretty much has it all).

Friends leave and I tell them I have to do this one before I go. I walk around the bar once then go for it.

I kill it. Everything is on point. Her general response is essentially "how is your game so good?". Honestly I'M kind of suprised that these two sides to me exist and that my game can vary so much.

I move her away from her friends and find out she's from San Fran, just visiting for the weekend. I tell her I'm just a shy guy from a small town and that I don't know how to talk to girls. She eats it up.

I get the number and tell her that I have to go with my friends but we'll hang out tomorrow night. Pretty much the perfect number pickup, although that's somewhat of a paradox.

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I head over to the main club to meet Knoxville and Sunshine. Once the high starts wearing off a little, I start to realize I really fucked up by ejecting. I should know better than that.

I hit up a few girls at the club and then we head back to the last place. It's been 30-40 minutes at this point and she's with another guy. I know I need to blow him out but my feet are frozen. I'm praying he'll blow himself out but he's a cool guy who obviously has game, and I know it's not happening. I chode out for a good 10 minutes, then finally decide I have to do it and walk over. Right as I get close to them they start making out....I leave.

Back to the main club I hit up more girls. Nothing out of the ordinary.

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1. Almost every post here has different lessons and sticking points, but this has basically been the biggest one every since I started: playing to win, burning shit to the ground, and being willing to fail. I need to find out reality, rather than chasing good emotions and avoiding the potential of a bad outcome. By ejecting at a high point and not following through to see where it ends, I avoid bad emotions but miss out on what I really want.

In one of the first reports on here, there was a really hot girl who I could have fucked, but I never tried anything because I was too worried about whether she liked me or not. I've come sooooo far since then, both with that sticking point and coutless others, but it's still there and it's still the biggest sticking point I have. I guess that's just how pickup is though. The thing you need to change most is often the hardest thing to change.

2. No one ever talks about this, but it can be really hard NOT having limiting beliefs. Most newbies who come here have all these preconcieved ideas about why they're not good at this. Their lives can absolutely suck, but they can cope with it because they've decided that it's not their fault and life is just unfair.

"I'm too short, I'm not good looking enough, girls in clubs are dumb sluts, those other guys could never get a real high quality girl".

What's hard for me is that I don't have any limiting-belief-leg to stand on -- not from some brainwashing self-affirmation bullshit, but from first hand experience. I know that whether I pull California dimes or go home alone is entirely dependent on ME. This is both extremely empowering and pretty hard to cope with. When you're not getting what you want in a certain area, it's hard knowing that you're completely responsible for that. I guess that's why game and personal development are so inextricably intertwigned.

3. A few days ago I ran into the girl I was obsessed with in high school. It's funny, she's not even that attractive. I wouldn't date her now. But back then, I would have given anything to be with her. I think about how far I've come and where I am now, and I can only imagine where I'd be if she'd liked me. What would my life be like if I'd gotten what I wanted before I deserved it? Probably pretty terrible, to be honest.

As frustrated as I am that I blew it with a ~9.5/10 girl, I know that life tends to give you what you need, not what you want. And although I can't even put into words how much I wanted to take her home, maybe losing it was the only way to emphasize how important that lesson is for me.

Cheers
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Matt,

Point #2 is very insightful.  It's crazy that once you prove to yourself that the only limiting factor is YOU .. all the responsibility is on your shoulders.  Paradoxically this is both very freeing in that you can get what you want ANYTIME but also VERY OVERWHELMING because it puts all the burden of success on your shoulders.

"No excuses".  "No one else is going to get this for you but you".

I know personally that I can reeeeeeally throw mad amounts of guilt on my own shoulders when I miss approaches (esp during the day).  It sucks.  I have to zen myself out a bit that its not the end of the world but .. it can throw me.

The weird part is that you sort of have to just ignore this truth and blindly follow the process.  Focus on the improvements and, while being results focused, be process oriented.  Warm ups, build momentum, have fun etc.  

This is good stuff man, I'm still chewing on it internally, you are a man wise beyond your years ;)

See you soon g
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