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Knoxville

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BerlinCity Wrote:
Matt281 Wrote:
Sunday

Day 2 with the girl I pulled last Saturday. 

We meet up at a chill little bar near my place and grab a drink. I have a good time. She has some really fucking funny stories. 

She took a cab so the pull back to my house is easy. I take her up, chode around a bit, then take her over to the bed and start kissing her. She's super into it.

Rough foreplay ensues followed by awesome sex. 

I take her back home afterwards.

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Fucked 3 different girls in the last 3 days. Harem is picking up a little bit ;)

Cheers


A smooth cirminal...what can we say.


Second that. Haha! Fucking amazing man. 
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I do like 1 or 2 of my own approaches. 

There were a million girls there and two in particular I really wanted to talk to. Dimes. 

I HATE being scared to do shit. The funny thing is that there's just no way around it. There's really not strategy other than gaining momentum over a couple hours and/or weeks. You just have to fucking DO IT. Tonight I didn't. 

It's difficult because I get rewarded whether I hit it up or not.

 


Despite all this man, I can say that your experience in Vegas really helped have that click in your mind. Having your girlfriend and other girl...and latest girl really shifted the fact that you can have these hot girls again and again. Despite the fact that you are not approaching, you do resonate a different kind of confidence that you carry through out your day and not just after an hour of approaching. Its that shift in your mind that makes you an abundant attractive guy as opposed to the guy who is in state chatting some hotty. 

If you do want to maintain some approaching, hit up the hill on Monday for 20 minutes and Wed with us at the college bars for 20-30 minutes. Keep the weekends for approaching here and there early on, and then cherish at the end of the night. Create sustainability so you can slowly keep your approaching strong. 
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You journey seems to have a lot of value,i am gonna check it out sometime.
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Knoxville Wrote:


Despite all this man, I can say that your experience in Vegas really helped have that click in your mind. Having your girlfriend and other girl...and latest girl really shifted the fact that you can have these hot girls again and again. Despite the fact that you are not approaching, you do resonate a different kind of confidence that you carry through out your day and not just after an hour of approaching. Its that shift in your mind that makes you an abundant attractive guy as opposed to the guy who is in state chatting some hotty. 

If you do want to maintain some approaching, hit up the hill on Monday for 20 minutes and Wed with us at the college bars for 20-30 minutes. Keep the weekends for approaching here and there early on, and then cherish at the end of the night. Create sustainability so you can slowly keep your approaching strong. 


Thanks man. 

The biggest thing for me is that I just don't want to rest on my laurels. I think you, me, and pretty much anyone else who's been through the ringer with this stuff could lay back and still enjoy a relatively good sex life. But when it comes to this stuff, I don't just want a "relatively good sex life". I want it all.

The best way I could put it to you is that while I'm 100% happy with where I'm at, there's no chance in hell I'm staying here. 

Cheers
 
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Hey man !

I have a question for you...

Right now, from what i've read, you're in a place where i'd like to be. In terms of external results and internal paradigms.

So here is my question ;

I've been in the game for 6 active months and i've had sex with 4 girls at 22 yo. And just 1 to 2 times with each.
Never had a girlfriend per se.

And now, i'm seeing a girl who wants to become my girlfriend. She's been hinting at meeting up with her friends and shit.
She is super fucking cute, I like her. But she is not my perfect 10. My ego feels really really good by being with her though.

Our relationship is not amazing, it's not like i'm in love, but I like her.

If I do become her boyfriend, i would keep going out once or twice a week and apply the Fear technology by Ozzie (you just do shit that scares the hell out of you). I won't go for makeouts or numbers or sex. I will keep going for the pull though (well, i hope being motivated enough to do it anyway).

If I don't become her boyfriend, i feel like i'm going to have to break it off coz' i know she won't go for a non-exclusive relationship. That would be really painful and uncomfortable.

If you were in my situation what would you do ?

Any feedback would be super appreciated :)
 
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That's a hard question to answer, because the truth is it depends on where you're coming from.

My first girlfriend was the first girl I ever fucked. In a lot of ways, it was really good for me. I think that a lot of guys can learn just as much from having a girlfriend as they can from being single and fucking a bunch of girls. It'll also give you a frame of reference for what you want out of a relationship, what's good and what's not. Personally I learned a ton from that relationship, and it was in a big part responsible for the success I've had maintaining relationships with other girls since then. My "back end of the funnel" is actually very good -- girls usually want to stick around after sex. I think a lot of guys have trouble with this, in part because they don't have any experience with relationships.

On the flip side, nearly the entire time I was with my first girlfriend I felt (for lack of a better word) resentful. I was constantly frustrated that I was wasting time that could be spent chasing the girls I really wanted because it was comfortable to stay with her. I knew from day 1 there wasn't any long term potential, but I stuck with it anyway. 

I guess it depends on the extent to which you'll feel like that. If you can be happy just dating this girl, enjoying it and learning from it, that's a great place to be and it's worth doing. Then when you're ready to move on, you can. But if this in any way feels like a cop out and a way of avoiding going after what you really want, then that's a different story. The question is: can you enjoy being with this girl from a place of genuine satisfaction (even if temporary), or is it just easy?

That's pretty much it.

One final thing, which probably shouldn't really influence your decision but needs to be said anyway: what she's willing to do is almost entirely based on you and your expectations. Maybe she wouldn't be non-exclusive with you, but for the right guy, she would. Almost any girl would. You just won't believe it until you start doing it. One of the girls I'm seeing has only had two serious boyfriends, grew up religious and has never had casual sex outside of a relationship. She comes over late and night to get fucked, despite knowing I have a GIRLFRIEND who is not her and I have no intention of being her boyfriend. 

Hope it helps man.

Cheers

 
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Matt281 Wrote:
My "back end of the funnel" is actually very good -- girls usually want to stick around after sex. I think a lot of guys have trouble with this, in part because they don't have any experience with relationships.

 


Sweet journal bro, I'd definately like to hear more on this.
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^We winged at Summit right?

Anyway, yeah, here's a few reasons why I think I have a pretty good retention rate with girls I fuck. 

1. This probably seems obvious, but simply not being a dick after sex goes a long way. Let them sleep over if they want to (morning sex is the best anyway), give them a ride home if they need it and kiss them goodbye. I get it that some guys think this is a waste of time (especially if you're rolling in more sex than you can handle) but it definitely helps a ton if you want to see her agian. Assuming you actually fuck girls you like and/or think are really hot, I don't know why you wouldn't want to keep fucking them.

2. On the same note, spend a few minutes trying to get them off if they don't come during sex. If you take 5 minutes to make her squirt, she'll come over for the next few months to swallow your cum. Good investment. 

3. Actually be a cool guy that she wants to spend time around. 

4. See above.

5. Don't be needy.

6. The second time shouldn't be a booty call. Meet her out at the bars near closing when you don't pull, or take her out for a drink near your place on a weekday. 

7. Treat her like a human being. Talk to her about shit after sex. Ask her about herself. 

8. Fuck more girls. Keep the abundance mindset going. Be the prize. Give yourself enough reference experience to get the retention process down. 

That's mostly it. Knoxville would be a good person to ask about this too. He's just a really genuinely nice dude -- the only person I know who will buy himself a sandwich and offer to give you 3/4 of it -- and his girls stick around. Cat too. Check their journals out. You can just tell from the vibe why they keep girls when other guys don't.

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Matt281 Wrote:
That's a hard question to answer, because the truth is it depends on where you're coming from.

My first girlfriend was the first girl I ever fucked. In a lot of ways, it was really good for me. I think that a lot of guys can learn just as much from having a girlfriend as they can from being single and fucking a bunch of girls. It'll also give you a frame of reference for what you want out of a relationship, what's good and what's not. Personally I learned a ton from that relationship, and it was in a big part responsible for the success I've had maintaining relationships with other girls since then. My "back end of the funnel" is actually very good -- girls usually want to stick around after sex. I think a lot of guys have trouble with this, in part because they don't have any experience with relationships.

On the flip side, nearly the entire time I was with my first girlfriend I felt (for lack of a better word) resentful. I was constantly frustrated that I was wasting time that could be spent chasing the girls I really wanted because it was comfortable to stay with her. I knew from day 1 there wasn't any long term potential, but I stuck with it anyway. 

I guess it depends on the extent to which you'll feel like that. If you can be happy just dating this girl, enjoying it and learning from it, that's a great place to be and it's worth doing. Then when you're ready to move on, you can. But if this in any way feels like a cop out and a way of avoiding going after what you really want, then that's a different story. The question is: can you enjoy being with this girl from a place of genuine satisfaction (even if temporary), or is it just easy?

That's pretty much it.

One final thing, which probably shouldn't really influence your decision but needs to be said anyway: what she's willing to do is almost entirely based on you and your expectations. Maybe she wouldn't be non-exclusive with you, but for the right guy, she would. Almost any girl would. You just won't believe it until you start doing it. One of the girls I'm seeing has only had two serious boyfriends, grew up religious and has never had casual sex outside of a relationship. She comes over late and night to get fucked, despite knowing I have a GIRLFRIEND who is not her and I have no intention of being her boyfriend. 

Hope it helps man.

Cheers

 


Thank you very much :) I really appreciate it. I'll follow what you just wrote.

Thanks again
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yea man summit was dope. cool meeting ya and great response, def something i need improving on
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