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January 19th, 2017
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Matt281

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From the PM Box:

>> Question is about transitioning from fucking average girls to fucking really hot girls.


Hey man,

Check this video out.



There's also another Todd video where he talks about the practical reality of pulling really hot girls. I can't find it, but the main points are that 1.) pulling really hot girls is often just about entitlement, aka being able to act the same around her as you would a les attractive girl, and 2.) some real differences based on how a really hot girl goes through life, aka you often have to be more polarizing and stand out more to rise above the noise.

Other than that, the biggest distinction I see with the guys I go out with is simply how often they actually approach 9s and 10s. You'd be amazed at how many guys say they want gorgeous women, but never actually go for them.

I think this is one thing I really did right the whole way through. Even when I fucking sucked and couldn't pull ANYONE, I'd still try for the girl I really wanted. For a lot of guys the number one way to get hotter girls is to approach more of them, rather than the 7s.

Hope it helps
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Big thoughts.

(I promise this journal will get back to stories of me banging random hos soon enough.)

Just finished reading Sex at Dawn, which, along with my current circumstance is kind of turning my world upside down. In a good way though.

Anyone who's reading through most of this journal might recall me mentioning dozens of times that my goal was never just to fuck hundreds of random girls. Although my goals have definitely changed a lot throughout the journey, the basic idea has always been "have some fun, fuck a few dozen stunning girls, have some crazy experiences, then find the right girl and settle down".

I'm not so sure now.

Even as I progressively had more success in the game, I'd always imagined eventually meet that one girl and that would be it. I even vividly imagine us rolling around blissfully in bed, talking, fucking and laughing. I always figured if she was hot enough to be everything I wanted sexually, and we had amazing chemistry, there wouldn't really be much reason for anything else.

In Sex at Dawn, there are a lot of gut-wrenching ideas for someone who holds that vision for himself. But perhaps the scariest of which is this, which I'm currently finding to be true in my own life as well: the most universal, common and undeniable attractive feature to men is variety.

I could find the most badass, beautiful girl in the world, and I'd probably still get tired of fucking her. Kind of a scary thought for pseudo-romantic.

I'm actually already experiencing this with my girlfriend. She's not perfect (the girl laying in my bed right now is hotter, imo) but she's 5'9'' and skinny with C cups and a pretty face. When she comes over at txts me from the front door, there's often someone from the sidewalk blatantly hitting on her by the time I get down there to let her in. But I'm already feeling less inspired about fucking her, despite the fact that we have amazing sex.

Right now I'm feeling like a may need to re-evaluate what kind of situation will actually work for me long term. I feel like an open relationship might have to be it.

On one hand it's a bit scary to re-evaluate a future that you'd imagined yourself having ever since your first pubic hair, but on the other hand it's quite freeing and... well, exciting. Building a relationship and a eventually a family around chemistry, mutual respect, fun and friendship -- and then fucking gorgeous girls on the side without any lying or shadiness -- sounds quite good in my humble opinion :)

But another thing that scares the shit out of me is that, in that context, my girlfriend right now could be that girl.

Honestly I've never had so much chemistry or fun with anyone, ever. The reason I'd disqualified her before is because, while she's hot, I knew she wasn't hot enough that I'd be happy with my sex life in a monogamous relationship. But given the fact that that might be the case with ANY girl, no matter how hot, and now the fact that a may never actually be in a strictly monogamous relationship... well that certainly changes things a bit.

I'm probably being naïve, and if the past is any indicator, as I continue on this journey I'll meet even more amazing girls as I continue to change and grow. Who knows.

For now, I'm happy and I'm learning and growing. Couldn't ask for much more than that.

Cheers
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Have you heard of Johnny Soporno? He's a guy that has lived (is living) the lifestyle that you talk about, save for having kids. You might be interested in what he has to say about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R-hxqhJls8
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Hey Matt,

This is the journal of Brad ;

http://bradp.com/landing/diary-of-a-pua.pdf

If you go to page 22, you'll find some really interesting information on threesomes (apparently, he had a girlfriend who told him she wanted to do threesomes, just like you).

Thought it could be of interest to you ;)
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FridayWhew, been a while.Went out tonight and hit it up a bit. Just getting back in the swing of things. I may need to find another area to go out in though, because both girls I'm seeing go out in this area pretty often. Kinda sucks. They were both at the same place tonight, lol. Kinda awkward. Anyway, I left early so I didn't have to deal with them meeting each other or something. My girlfriend came over at the end of the night and we had about a dozen orgasms between us. Good times.Life is good. I do kinda miss the freedom of being 100% single though. Even though everything is out in the open, sometimes still feel like I'm walking on egg shells.Cheers
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Matt281 wrote:
FridayWhew, been a while.Went out tonight and hit it up a bit. Just getting back in the swing of things. I may need to find another area to go out in though, because both girls I'm seeing go out in this area pretty often. Kinda sucks. They were both at the same place tonight, lol. Kinda awkward. Anyway, I left early so I didn't have to deal with them meeting each other or something. My girlfriend came over at the end of the night and we had about a dozen orgasms between us. Good times.Life is good. I do kinda miss the freedom of being 100% single though. Even though everything is out in the open, sometimes still feel like I'm walking on egg shells.Cheers
Its a new kind of stress. When looking at psychopathetics journal I wonder how he manages to have girls that is sleeping with ta the same club, while he hits them up, continues to fuck them day to day and then STILL has time to go out. Mind fucks me. Really hard to manage relationships AND go out and not worry about your girls seeing you. 
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Feels so weird to be out of the cold approach pickup game for so long. I went out with Adjunkie to a new club last Saturday and hooked the second girl I talked to. We hung out for 45 minutes, then Adjunkie wanted to leave so we did. Other than that, I've basically been completely removed from it all. I'm spending a lot of time reading and learning, which is great. Rest of the time seems to be going into managing relationships with the two girls I'm seeing. Learning sooo much in that regard. I'm honestly amazed they've both put up with as much as they have to be with me. It's not that I don't feel entitled or that I feel like I'm tricking them into something that isn't in their interest. But I'm surprised nevertheless. The big epiphany (which you could probably never actually understand without experiencing it on some level) is simply that you can set the terms. --------------------------------- It's funny, I could write about all these different things, but it feels like I'd have to intentionally take myself down some positive or negative thought train to do it. Not sure if you guys can relate to that. I could work myself into a negative headspace and talk about how I'm losing momentum in the game and need to go out more, or about feeling indecisive because sometimes I feel like no path is necessarily better than any other. Or I could talk about how good things are fucking both these amazing girls, and how I literally feel so removed/liberated from the way most people think. I could even work myself into writing an inspiring little essay about how cool it is being quote unquote on the other side of this struggle. I could really take it in any direction I felt like. I guess the point (if there is one) is that this whole journey is just your block of clay to mold. Whether you scupt it into a pile of gold, a Fleshlight or a videogame console probably doesn't matter all that much. Just make sure you scuplt it. And if it doesn't turn out how you wanted, make something else. Cheers   
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  • For some reason paragraphs no longer work so I'm just going to roll with this.
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  • Friday/Saturday
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  • Kind of an odd weekend but feels good to be getting back at it. I really do love the game and going out. Honestly I'm enjoying the high points more than sex --- not because of some crazy paradigm shift, epiphany or transcending basic human needs; just the fact that sex is abundant right now and going out is fun. It really is just like food, water and shelfter. When you don't have it it's everything, when you do, it's just something else you do. I don't think I'd have much success explaining this to my previous sex-starved self though.
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  • Got 2 numbers friday night and may have been able to pull the hot one had I had a wing who her friend liked. It's really only the approaching/ballsiness/self-amusement that I lose quickly when I don't go out. I feel like I could never lose the killer instinct. Put me in the right situation and I'll fuck the girl.
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  • Tonight was short too. I only spent around an hour and only talked to a couple girls. It was really good though. I'm pushing for threesomes and learning some interesting things. A surprisingly high number of girls seem to be down, and they seem pretty open to talking about it. Most girls seem very particular that the other girl in the mix is really hot. It does make it pretty difficult to involve 3 people with high standards, but still pretty cool nevertheless.
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  • It really is amazing the extent to which the situation is everything. I feel like most girls would blow me off in one situation and fuck me in another. This probably sounds really cocky, but I also feels like most girls would really fall for me as long as something doesn't blow it all up.

 

  • Anyway, life is good. Still dating 2 hot girls who know I'm not exclusive. Just like the threesome thing, it's just kind of surprising what girls will do in real life. It's a shame so many people are so limited by their assumptions about this stuff, probably myself included. 

 

  • Really feeling like I'm not done with this game stuff yet. I want to get back out there and push it further. As much as I care about my girlfriend and enjoy the other girl I'm dating, I'm honestly willing to let this all blow up in my face if that's what it takes.

 

Cheers

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Friday

Trying to get back in the swing of things. 

Highlights:

-Hit up two stunning half-persian girls. My friend, who we'll call Promo, wings. It goes really well for a few minutes then kind of stalls out after Promo starts entertaining the group and we lose our 1 on 1 bubble. This is somewhat of a sticking point for me winging guys like Promo and Big: I sometimes get stuck in my head and lose it once the attention goes to them for a while and I'm just standing there. 

Something to work on. We basically lose them after it stalls out a bit on my end. Honestly it's just nice finding girls that hot in Seattle -- good motivation.

-Near the end of the night Promo and I hit up one girl on the street who's lost her friends. We talk massive amounts of shit and make up elaborate stories about us being brothers and double teaming her. I get her number at the end of the night but honestly not going to call her. Was fun though.

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1. Winging with non-community guys who are good (Big, Promo) is an interesting learning experience because they have a different style from community guys, but there are a lot of commonalities. At least for these two, they don't really hit state or understand it, and they never do any crazy approaches. From what I can tell their game is good for 2 reasons: 1) they don't get stuck in their head, and 2) they keep talking no matter what. Easier said than done, but that's about 80% of pre-pull game right there.

2. I'm slowly getting back into where I was a couple months ago. The momentum, the ballsiness and the rhythm definitely come and go, but the killer instinct hangs on pretty well ;)
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Saturday

Back with a bang. Pun intended.


I start off at a big college bar with Brother, Knoxville and Promo. Pretty stuck in my head. Very reluctant to do my own approaches.

Knoxville pulls me into a hot 4 set and I talk to a hot half Japanese girl. Promo, who really likes asians, is practically jizzing in his pants over her. Somehow Knoxville got the not hot one, despite approaching. Brother seems to be killing it with the two hot white girls. I tell my girl we'll take them around to some other bars and show them around, and she's down. Everything seems to be going well, but after Promo comes in somehow one of the girls gets bored and/or offended and drags the rest away. We should have gone back in on this a bunch but we were being pussies.

We do a couple more. I'm frustratingly after not having been out much the past 2 months. Too much cherishing.

Speaking of cherishing, my stunner cherish -- who just "broke up" with me because she couldn't handle me having girlfriend who's not her -- is txting the fuck out of me wanting to meet up. It's only like 12 tho so I keep making excuses to avoid her.

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We go to the next bar and there's only one girl I want to talk to. I make eye contact with her and then go back to talking with Promo. I ALMOST don't do it. 

I walk over towards her, put my hand in spilled beer and wipe it on Urban as I'm walking up to her (I'm sure he'll understand). 

Me: Hi, I'm matt
Her: xxxx *shakes my hand*
Me: I just put my hand in beer but I wiped it on Urban so I could come meet you ;)

Super hot Italian chick.

It's kind of messy after that and I stall out a few times but I stick in there. When it's awkward, I think girls don't realize that you HAVE TO KEEP TALKING or you're done. Sometimes I think I come off as nervous because I'm just spouting of ANYTHING. Unless you really hooked hard, you just can't stop talking. It can be hard to do that and still be relaxed and smooth.

Apparently it goes well enough because when they leave they offer for me to come.

I get her number "in case I lose her" and go with them. On the walk I basically game the friend, which seems to work really well because I win her over and my girl likes it too.

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We get to the other bar and meet up with their friends. I do a pretty damn good job of winning everyone over, which really helped. I liked one of their guy friends a lot. I guess the best way I could describe it is that he just seemed really content whether he fucked someone or not. I sometimes envy people who just don't make a big deal out of fucking girls (even though TBH it's worth making a big deal out of if you're not).

Conveniently we all go back to my girl's studio apartment afterwards.

I barely game her at all. I just sit with other people and bullshit. 

---> I didn't play this perfect, but this is a really important point: At this point in the night it was a logistics game. While I definitely could have done better with this girl, it wasn't the most important thing to focus on. The biggest thing was simply BE THE LAST ONE THERE.

And surely enough, by 4am I was. 

She gets some angry txts, presumably from the other guy who liked her, and we eat late-night spaghetti. I spit some game while we eat and she's into it, but as soon as we're done she still just climbs into her bed and turns over with her back facing me.

Not good. 

I say some shit but can't get her to engage me. I think 90% of guys would have just given up here and maybe tried in the morning.

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I turn her halfway over.

Me: this is awkward because I want to kiss you but you're facing the wrong way.

Boom.

Making out quickly turns to foreplay.

Foreplay quickly turns to choking and rough sex.

I press her legs against her chest and fuck her hard, and she grabs onto my wrist as I'm chocking her. 

"mmmm! harder!"

I finger her more, she sucks my dick, and we basically fool around for the next half hour. 

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I leave in the morning and go out the wrong door and get locked out on a 2nd story patio. Had to whip out some parkour to get out :)

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1. Every time I have a night like this I'm shocked by the fact that I almost didn't approach her. Every girl I've fucked I could have easy just not approached. Makes me think about how many opportunities I miss because my ego/self-image stuff gets in the way or I'm stuck in my head and don't approach. I could easily do this 5x as much from just trying 5x as much.

2. Other than just trying in the first place, the biggest lesson of the night was simply BE THERE WITH HER AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. Sex is mostly a logistics game. 



Cheers
 
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