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Matt281

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Thanks guys. Don't mean to sound jaded or anything. I still love this stuff. Just trying to find the right angle for me.
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Knoxville

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 Dude you've been killin it in Vegas. It may seem like a numbers game, but your game has a huge thing to do with it. 
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 Nice work Matt. Been a really great week for you.
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Wow man, Im really enjoying all of your write ups while in Vegas.

Sounds like your having a blast.

I like the perspective your taking with the game right now. Makes me realize a lot of stuff in my game.

Keep it up.

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Knoxville wrote:
 Dude you've been killin it in Vegas. It may seem like a numbers game, but your game has a huge thing to do with it. 
Yeah I can attest to what Knoxville is saying. I've been going out a lot here with two 10 day challenges and haven't had near the success at pulling as you. My wing either.

It's not just Vegas, your game is better than you give it credit for. Sure you lead the girl to your room... but it wasn't "inconvient" for her. She could've left at any time but chose not to.



"I guess what I'm saying is that the game as a sport doesn't intrigue me. I want to build real relationships with people, consistently have girls in my life who really like me as a person, fuck stunningly hot sluts and at some point end up in a relationship."


The best way to meet stunningly hot sluts is going out in a place like Vegas.. unless you get into a model social circle or something like that. But even that would still be a city like LA or Miami.

lol Basically I'm just trying to get you and Knox to move here.
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Matt281 wrote:
 Friday - Las Vegas Round 7 of 8

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1. Well, I guess I pulled another hottie. It was fun, but also got me thinking more about game and what I want. Some of these last few nights have made game feel much less like a journey and much more like something you invest time in to produce a expected result. There's no doubt in my mind that I could go out in a place like Vegas and consistently pull once a week. The real question is... why? Don't get me wrong, I love fucking hot girls and the game is fucking fun. But this isn't really what I want out of the game. 

What I want is to become the kind of guy that super hot/amazing girls really want, and pull based on that. What I don't want is to simply put myself in a situation where a lot of girls are willing to have sex, and manipulate logistics until it makes it inconvenient for them not to fuck me. That's pretty much what I did tonight.

I guess what I'm saying is that the game as a sport doesn't intrigue me. I want to build real relationships with people, consistently have girls in my life who really like me as a person, fuck stunningly hot sluts and at some point end up in a relationship. I don't care if I fuck 11 girls in a week or some shit.

That being said, I also need to accept things for how they are to some extent. Honestly probably the best way to fuck really gorgeous women is to go out and hammer is hard and pull tons of women in general. I don't want to delude myself into trying to live in an imaginary reality (like convention wisdom on dating), but I also want to avoid being sucked into this vortex of pickup mentality as well. 

Something to think about.

2. Anyway, really enjoying killing it down here nevertheless. Hot young vagina is always nice. I've learned so much in the past 7 days. I'll have a lot of thinking to do after this is all over.

Cheers

 

VERY good point. I feel the same way. I think in a place like vegas anyone can get laid if the logistics are good enough. Pick up or no pick up. I think with pick up you increase your chances of pulling the hottest of the hottest or just pulling in general. I think in vegas most girls buying temperature is already high, so all it takes is some logistics, and some escalation, and a condom to fuck the girl.

Just my opnion. Not taking credit away from you or anyone else in vegas for having tight game but just stating the obvious. Everyone goes to vegas to have fun and have a lifetime experience.

Enjoying reading about your journey. Keep it up.

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 Thanks everyone.

@kenny - Honestly don't think I could handle living in Vegas. I'm completely wrecked after just 8 days. I think I need to find some sort of balance that works for me. 

Saturday - Las Vegas Round 8 of 8

Strangely enough, tonight was the only non-crazy night I've had here. I hit up a few girls and then ran into the girl I fucked Friday night. She was tired, sober and being boring. Her friend wanted to fuck Brother but fortunately he was smart enough to stay out of it and go hit it up instead. 

I leave them intermittently to go hit up other girls, but don't end up doing much. I did throw myself into a couple sets that really intimidated me though, which was great.

Anyway, I get bored and pull them around 2. It's almost 3 by the time we get back to their place but they have separate rooms and I fucked this girl last night, so I figure it'll be easy. Despite the fact that everyone's a bit tired and no one's really having that much fun sitting around, the friend won't leave us. She sits out in the living room with us being awkward for a good 45 minutes. 

Finally she goes to sleep and I start making out with my girl. She's not very receptive and says she's tired. I pull her to the bedroom and she doesn't want to have sex. I'm thinking "WHAT?!". I'm pretty irritated. I spent my entire Saturday night with this girl despite her being boring, and taxied 2 miles away from my hotel... for this?? I wasn't even pissed about not having sex; just that I spent my last night in Vegas doing this.

I sit for a minute thinking about what my boundaries are with this stuff, how much I want to get laid and whether I'm being irrational. I decide to get up and leave. 

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1. Big lesson for tonight was not to fall into scarcity or throw away your night for a girl you don't really care about. She was hot, but pretty immature and boring. Unless you're trying to build/maintain a relationship, forfieting a night out for some girl you just fucked sucks. Next time I'll just hit it up hard and let the chips fall where they may.

Cheers
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Matt281 wrote:
 
1. Big lesson for tonight was not to fall into scarcity or throw away your night for a girl you don't really care about. She was hot, but pretty immature and boring. Unless you're trying to build/maintain a relationship, forfieting a night out for some girl you just fucked sucks. Next time I'll just hit it up hard and let the chips fall where they may.

Cheers


Hey man, I totally feel you on this and I'm glad you were able to articulate it cause it reaffirms the idea for me. i always find myself in this same spot and forget it in the moment. I think Tyler recently had a post about it, but it's like you can't assume shit when it comes to pulling because girls are crazy/emotional.

Some great progress here, inspiring stuff!
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VEGAS SUMMARY

-Pulled 7 of 8 nights
-Fucked 2 new girls
-Got a handjob in a handicap access/mechanical room.
-I was inches away from having a threesome
-Hit up 30+ girls most nights
-Blew a sure pull with the hottest girl of my life
-Improved tremendously in game

SUMMIT

For the most part, Summit was amazing. From what I've seen, I think it's a far better investment than bootcamp and I'd recommend it to just about anyone -- or at least staying in Vegas for a week and going out with guys from Summit.

Julien's presentations were by far the most helpful because there was a lot of infiend footage. I found myself using some of Julien's lines and taking on some of the concepts he emphasized. Tyler's speeches weren't really about pickup, but they were great nevertheless.

The other instructors were great too, but it was a bit unfocused and incohesive. Most of the presentations started 20-30 minutes late and most of the content I'd heard before. Still good though. It was interesting to see the extent to which completely different styles of game can work equally well.

The best part was definitely going out and winging with the other guys though.

GOING OUT

Vegas clubs make me feel like I'm in a rap video. The venues are good enough that I'm genuinely excited to be there, and I have never in my life seen so many hot girls in one place.

In one sense, the venues can be tough because the environment is very intense and almost half the club space is devoted to bottle service tables. On the other hand, if you're good and/or feeling on, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. At any given club there are dozens of hot girls open to getting fucked by a stranger. You just have to be the right guy in the right place at the right time.

WHAT I LEARNED

1. The biggest epiphany for me was redefining what game is/can be, and starting the process of rethinking what I want out of this. I realized that my game is already pretty good and that in an environment like Vegas, it wouldn't be too hard to pull a hot girl once or twice a week if you went out enough. That's 50 to 100 girls A YEAR.

After living this lifestyle for 8 days though, I realize that's not really what I want. Like I mentioned a few posts ago, I don't like "game as a sport". And as much as I like sexual variety, I still don't care about fucking several new girls every week.

What I do care about is consistently having breathtakingly gorgeous, cool girls in my life.

What this means for me is that the game needs to be a tool for me, not a permanent lifestyle. It needs to be something that enriches my life, not the focus of my life.

So I'm going to take the game as it is and not try to pretend it's some other way. If I decide that banging 200 girls is the best way to get what I want, I'll do it. But what I want isn't a number to brag to my friends about or ridiculous sexual variety. I just want amazing/beautiful girls in my life, and I'll make that happen however I need to.

2. Game + tactics are there for when you need them. Sometimes you don't. While I got some of my pulls and near-pulls from really solid game, both girls I fucked just liked me and were open to having sex. Sometimes you need to just let everything go and let it happen.

3. Logistics are king. I really don't like this fact, but it's true. You could be the most self-actualized motherfucker on the planet, but if you don't actively put yourself/girls in a place where sex can happen, it doesn't matter. All of my pulls this week were from being creative with logistics. I think that a lot of guys think that game is about being so attractive that the girl just jumps on your dick. Not the case. Most pulls happen from being attractive ENOUGH and just getting her alone.

On the same note, the venue, the city and the situation change everything. Improving your game 100% won't have as much of an impact is putting yourself in a situation with 3000% more hot girls and good logistics.

4. Overall Vegas/Summit was an absolutely amazing experience. Much like finding the game in the first place, or going to free tour and meeting some of the guys 2 years ago, I think this last week will have a significant impact on the trajectory of my life.

Cheers :)
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 I'm there next year, dude!!!!! very inspiring, and you sound very excited and happy.
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