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January 22nd, 2017
Matt281
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Tezer

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Look into Alex's shit bro - it sounds wishy washy, but you're enough anytime cause 'game' never stops.

You know by now that you don't need crazy lines or tons of physicality to get a girl feelin you - if it's a social situation it's even easier cause you can really simmer down, get eye contact and lead with more compliance because it's a warm lead.
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Turlast

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Hey, Matt! Been reading your FR on/off for awhile, as well as a few of your blog posts--and I must say it's really nice seeing you make so many great changes in your life. After reading you mention how you'll "get as much as you put into it", I just wanted to ask your opinion on something: why do some guys just get it and make things happen while other guys just...don't? I've went out a few times, but often felt "outclassed" and rather clueless when it comes to thrusting through the comfort zone--then, of course, I find myself back in that zone. When I read FR's from guys like you, Cat, etc, all of you guys seem to have a deep understanding of attracting women and you guys just "get it."

I guess what I'm trying to ask...is if it's possible you can really go from being that confused, non risk taking, inexperienced guy to actually seeing success like you? Not in a few days, as I know magic pills isn't something one should actually focus on. Honestly, I'm 25 and often feel like it's probably at the point of no return, but then I read your FR's and I still feel that desire to do something. Sorry if this seems like a bit too much, but instead of asking in the Main Forum, I thought I'd just ask for your opinion; especially since you understand what really needs to be done and worked hard to get to where you're at today.
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Matt281

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@Andre - Yeah I like Alex's stuff. Again I feel like it's something that I'll just have to active work on though and it'll come with time. I mentioned a few months back how I feel like I don't really "learn" anything from RSD, per se, but rather I wait for things to click in field and then RSD's content helps me make better sense of it. That's what I feel like in general. Any sort of content/wisdom isn't that useful until you have the reference experiences to apply it to.

A related example would be with books. Right now I'm re-reading 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. When I got it like 3 years ago, I didn't like it too much. Didn't even finish it. But now it feels like one of the best books I've read. Again, the reference experiences make the content work.






Turlast wrote:

Hey, Matt! Been reading your FR on/off for awhile, as well as a few of your blog posts--and I must say it's really nice seeing you make so many great changes in your life. After reading you mention how you'll "get as much as you put into it", I just wanted to ask your opinion on something: why do some guys just get it and make things happen while other guys just...don't? I've went out a few times, but often felt "outclassed" and rather clueless when it comes to thrusting through the comfort zone--then, of course, I find myself back in that zone. When I read FR's from guys like you, Cat, etc, all of you guys seem to have a deep understanding of attracting women and you guys just "get it."

I guess what I'm trying to ask...is if it's possible you can really go from being that confused, non risk taking, inexperienced guy to actually seeing success like you? Not in a few days, as I know magic pills isn't something one should actually focus on. Honestly, I'm 25 and often feel like it's probably at the point of no return, but then I read your FR's and I still feel that desire to do something. Sorry if this seems like a bit too much, but instead of asking in the Main Forum, I thought I'd just ask for your opinion; especially since you understand what really needs to be done and worked hard to get to where you're at today.

Hey man.

I think if there's anyone who didn't "get it" to start off with, it would be me. Look through the first pages of this journal and you'll see stuff like a girl waiting for me outside the bathroom, grabbing my hand, and me getting nervous and ejecting, then later wonder if she "might be interested". Also getting invited to "come in" after a date, having no idea what that meant, and deciding to "end it on a high note". I was CLUELESS.

So yeah, to answer your question, anyone can do this. I think the only reason people fail with this is because they expect the process to "do it for them". If you look a few pages back, you'll see my long response to a PM asking a similar question. Check that out.

Finally, you asked "why do some guys seem to be able to make it happen while other guys just don't"... Mostly time and energy invested in improving in field. If you go out a couple hundred times and approach a couple thousand girls, you'll probably get it. The only caveat is what I mentioned above; people thinking they can just go through the motions. You really don't have to be perfect with it. Success culture is always emphasizing super human motivation, and you see guys on here doing 7 days a week and hitting up dozens of girls every night. That's awesome, but don't opt out if that's not where you're starting off. I basically wasn't even cold approaching when I started this journal. Slow and steady wins the race man. Put some time in over the next couple years and you'll succeed beyond your wildest dreams.

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Turlast

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Thanks a lot for the reply, Matt. I checked out the response you had to the guys PM, and I must say...the advice was on the money. It really resonated with me. I've always had a feeling you couldn't just go out constantly and expect things to happen on its own. You definitely have to be aware of what and how you're doing things in order to keep moving forward. But you're right...you definitely have to start somewhere. I remember trying to get into a 30 day approach exercise a good while back, but that didn't really last long. Like you said, you have to go at your own pace and not focus on the amount of women others are approaching.

The amazing nights I've read about in your journal just seem so far out of my reality at this point, but it just motivates me to start putting the time in and making the changes I need to make in not only this area, but quite a few others in my life as well. Thanks again for the reply, Matt. Keep up the good work!
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Matt281

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Good luck man :)
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Friday

I get out around 11, go meet up with Sunshine. He's at the same bar where I'm supposed to meet up with the girl I went on a date with Saturday.

I see her and lock in. It's really really solid, but she's out with like 9 other girls. I hit it off with her for about 5 minutes, then take off to go hit up other girls at other bars under the pretense meeting up later in the night. Really what I wanted is just to have another meeting with her, since we're going on day 3 tomorrow, I think she'll be more open to having sex now.

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We bounce around a bit. I follow Knoxville into a few and do a couple of my own.

I grab some Ukrainian girl who's walking up the stairs with a guy and stop her for about 2 minutes. I kill it, but it's not quite enough.

After that I do a great job maintaining a positive state and good emotions, but nothing hooks too hard. Knoxville and I spend some time winging two hot girls sitting down. We stay in for about 15 minutes but they are kind of boring.

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We bounce to another bar.

I get eye contact from a hot girl in a group that's walking out the door, and I tap her and stop her.

Me: "are you leaving?"
Her: "yeah we have to go"
Me: "stay for 10 seconds"
Her: "to do what?"
Me: "talk...or something along those lines ;)

We only get to vibe for about 30 seconds before one of the guys comes back to get her. She gives me her number and I text her.

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Back to the original bar. My girl from earlier left just before we got there. I had kind of wanted her to be there so I could "chill" for the rest of the night. I've felt like this a bit in general later, where I just feel like "opting out" and going the easy route. Having a girlfriend seems so simple, even though logically I know there's a whole nother set of issues that comes along with that -- sometimes just feeling like I want to relax.
Funny enough, definitely wouldn't have experience this though ;)



This was perhaps the best set I've ever done.

Brother is hitting up a girl, and her friend is a total stunner. Tall, thin, gorgeous face, and all dressed up.

I go in and introduce myself and she gives me a nasty look.

I keep talking.

She won't tell me her name and will barely respond.

I plow.

She says I'm aggressive and drunk.

I tell her I'm sober.

She starts to turn around a little and her friend leaves Brother and grabs my girls hand to pull her away.

She stays.

I keep going and she slowly but surely starts to open up. She shit tests me and throws some other stuff at me. I pass. I felt like I had to use everything I've learned over years of being in the game... all coming together in this one set.

She "flips", and she starts to really like me.

We dance around, in a ridiculous manner at first, then a little bit more sexual. She turns all girly and starts telling me I'm really funny, even when I'm not being at all funny. She can't believe I'm sober. I eventually convince her that I am. I feel like she needed that to justify being picked up.

This girl is fucking gorgeous. Total stunner.

After about 15 minutes her friends finally come back to take her away. I meet them. They want to leave.

My girl: "I just got a new phone I don't know my number. Here's my card though"
Me: "give me you phone"

I call myself with her phone and she puts in her first and last name. We hug and they leave.

That's about all for tonight.

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1. Like I said, the last one was probably the best set I've ever done. I honestly don't think one in 1000 guys could have pulled that off given the way it started. It's just that glimpse of what's possible with this stuff, how good you can really be. It feels sooo good to completely "flip" a girl, especially a complete stunner like that.

2. What I really want is consistency with stuff like that. It feels amazing to pull that off, but I get outcome dependence almost immediately after because I pushed so far beyond what's normal for me. I can't replicate that. The most important thing is the experience though. Once you know you can pull something like that off, all that's left to do is do it more often.

3. Fuuuuucckkk can't even describe how good that feels. It's literally seeing the physical manifestation of years of work in the game and personal development. So happy right now =)



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Matt281

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Saturday

Funny night lol.

Around 8 I meet up for day 3 with the girl I went out with last Saturday. I have her meet me at the bar next to my house, we grab drinks, talk for an hour and a half and then I pull her back to my house.

Start making out, but her sister, who drove her (wtf) is texting her. I know I don't have all that much time, but I have to take it pretty slow with her. I take her jacket off and my shirt off, and get her pressed against the wall halfway to the bed.

Her: "I think you're underestimating how conservative I am... I was surprised when you kissed me on the first date"

lol.

So you can guess where this goes. I keep escalating slowly, but her sister calls her 10 minutes later and she has to go.

This girl's a cutie but I'm not sure if I want to take this to day5 or something, lol.

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I head out and meet up with the guys around 12.

I run into SexyMachine in the basement lounge, and he opens a hottie walking by. She almost immediately just transfers over to me, which I feel kinda bad about because we were just saying some stuff about how game >>> looks/age etc, but then I totally got a freebie here.

Anyway, I charm her socks off and get her number a little later, but she puts it in wrong.

I don't do too much else. It was really hard for me to get the ball rolling when I didn't get out until midnight. I think I do a couple.

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At 2:00 we're standing outside of a bar and this cute girl who I've hit on ~10 different times (and got her number like 5) comes out.

She's super shy and perhaps insecure, but sweet and very hot.

I yell at her and she comes and hugs me, and I spit some game for second.

She asks me to walk with her to her car (she's got 2 girlfriends that she drove with).

We get about a block ahead of them by the time we get to the car, we stop, and -- incredibly shy girl that she is -- grabs me and kisses me out of nowhere.

Hahaha I love this shit.

Her friends catch up and they go home.

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Sunday I went home. I'd texted with the stunner from Friday a little bit on Sat, but still feeling super outcome dependent and wondering about what to text. It's so funny, because with the other 3 or 4 girls I'm seeing I put about as much thought into it as I would texting one of my friends.

Sure enough however, she texts ME. I'm charming (of course), and make plans to grab a drink a the bar next to my place.

Mmmmm, I am already imagining railing this girl :)

Super happy

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1. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the girl from earlier on Sat. I've never blown out from escalating too hard on a date, but you never know.

2. It almost seems inevitable to get a little neverous about girls who are hotter than you're used to. That's okay though. Of course I get a bit outcome dependent, but the important thing to remember is that regardless of what happens with the stunner girl from Friday, I'm still me. I'm still the guy who made lead into gold and picked her up. Whatever happens, I'm still me and I'm still exactly where I'm at... and that's a good place to be :)

Cheers
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Fortunato

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Girls are so fascinating!
Matt281 wrote:


We get about a block ahead of them by the time we get to the car, we stop, and -- incredibly shy girl that she is -- grabs me and kisses me out of nowhere.

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Matt281

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Txt from stunner before our date:

"Hey so I just got home from work and I'm super tired and still have things I need to do for tomorrow. Can we reschedule? I promise it's not cause I don't wanna go, I just need to get caught up."

One thing I've noticed is that my motivation seems be completely tied to whether there are currently any sources of frustration in my life. When things are going really well, I basically feel no need to do anything. When I'm frustrated with something, I feel like I want to dive back in head first.

This phenomenon is often related to my dating life, but sometimes other things. Again, I oscillate between barely even thinking about personal development/success, to the complete opposite end of the spectrum based on this kind of stuff. Totally weird.

I think the problem here is two fold. The first part is that I have virtually no motivation to change when things are going really well. The second is that I'll completely flip the switch based on something external to myself and feel like I've really gotta "get my ass in gear".

The key here is to have an internal source of motivation. I get that. But taking that from in intellectual understanding to internalizing and living it, is quite different. That's the challenge.

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Matt281

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Txt from girl:

"Omg fucking dumb assholes... it's like they don't know I could be having sex right now"

LOL.
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