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Matt281

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Txt from girl:

"Omg fucking dumb assholes... it's like they don't know I could be having sex right now"

LOL.
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Matt281

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Txt from girl:

"Omg fucking dumb assholes... it's like they don't know I could be having sex right now"

LOL.
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Matt281

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Friday

Is it Friday already?

So pretty much none of the regular guys are going out. I drag my civilian friend out and meet up with Big. It's a relatively low key night because apparently it's finals week.

I don't do as many as I should, and stall out of the one or two good ones I have earlier in the night. Not really stall out, but basically just realize that it's not going anywhere after a couple minutes, and then hammer it out until they leave.

One thing the was made really clear tonight is how much setting the frame in the first 10 seconds matters. At the beginning you can take the interaction any way you want, but once you start chasing or talking "friend to friend" it's a hard hole to dig yourself out of.

Furthermore, it's crazy the variation that can happen even with the same girl. A girl I approach in one situation who doesn't like me might have ended up sucking my dick later in the night if I'd approached her 30 seconds later. It's amazing how girls' attraction is completely defined by who you are in that 15 seconds that you first meet them. That's what makes it tough for me to approach instantly sometimes, because I know the exact same girl on the exact same night could fuck me or blow me off just because of the randomness of that first minute.

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Anyway, I step outside around 12:30 and walk up to a hot brunette girl standing on the sidewalk.

I'm super calm and take my time to speak, which sets the frame for the rest of the interaction. She's out with her guy friend, which is kind of a shit show logistically but there's not a lot of hot girls out so I stick with this one.

The guy is somewhat of a cockblock at first because he keeps distracting her attention, but he ends up being really cool. We bounce to a bunch of different spots and finally settle on a dance spot around 1:15.

I give the guy a few bucks and he goes to buy us all drinks, which buys me some one on one time with my girl. We dance a bit and I kiss her. She's probably mid-late 20s but she has a bangin' little body and a really cute face.

Logistics still suck.

We both try to find girls for her guy friend but he's really picky (and to be fair, it's pretty slim pickings).

My friends go home, bars close, and I wait with them outside for a bit. I solidify things a little, swap numbers with my girl and make plans to meet up tomorrow. Fun stuff.

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1. It's funny because on one hand it's so insane to be able to just pick a girl out, spit some game, makeout with her, and get her number. On the other, I still have a long way to go. As I keep getting better and better at this, I'm more and more amazed by how huge the spectrum of having game actually is. You can be so so so so good at this ... or sooooo bad. I'd like to think I'm closer to the former, but I've still got a loooooonng way to go. The sky is definitely the limit with this stuff.

Cheers
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Matt281

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Saturday

Went out. Kind of a blur in some ways.

Big shows up and wants to hit on a group. I tell him no, I am hitting on this hottie sitting down. Come wing.

We do. My girl is a bit aloof and not too playful, but certainly hot and seems cool enough. We stick with this one quite a while and it goes pretty well. We swap numbers, then later in the night I come back to solidify things. I spend another 20 minutes or so with my girl and we talk about grabbing coffee on Monday, but I txt her and nothing.

I do a few more that go reasonably well. Didn't hit it up as hard as I should have.

Txt the girl from Friday. She doesn't get back to me till this morning. Same with the stunner from last Friday.

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It's about 1:00 by now so I go meet up with my cherish, who is out in the same area.

Her friends really like me for some reason. I have barely talked to them.

Anyway, I call it around 1:30 and pull her home. We fuck each others brains out. I love how hard I can make this girl come, and how she's always down for giving head.

My neighbors must fucking hate me ;)

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1. Still coming from the sellers frame too much. Well, maybe not. It's more like I'm the buyer, but I really fucking want a TV really bad and the salespeople can't always be bothered hahaha. Some of these girls just seem to genuinely not care about meeting anyone. If you're cool and you play your cards right, well then maybe they'll fall for you. But in general, they don't really care either way.

2. Right now I'm too happy with things to really kick into gear. Life's good, and I literally just had one of the best nights of my life tonight. Will write up soon.

Cheers
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 Bro, before I finish readng your 1000th post, I gotta say thanks bruh. I started reading your journal (now) right at the time I needed it most. Went out last night and had my ineptitude shoved in my face. Been daygaming consistently for 4 and half months with tangible success. Went out to a night club for the first time and had my fear and ego shoved into my awareness. I had no clue what I was doing but managed to dance with a couple girls anyways, I was scared, but at the same time excited. I could see the possibility. I could see how if I put time into this I could get really good. there were some REALLY hot girls around. I think back from last night and Im like damn why the fuck did I not approach! 

In anycase alot of what you put into your journal I've been realizing over the past five months. None of the "techniques" I've learnt really did that much for me. Whats really helped my game are the internal changes that occur. And in all honesty I dont know how, but I suppose running up to random women and socializing forces you to change. I kinda forget the other things I was gonna say but thanks for going through your own internal changes as they happen and providing a way for the newbs to learn. Subbed :).
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zek2256

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 Do you find day game easier than night game?
I fell night game is more "normal" or socially acceptable.
Your thoughts?
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Matt281

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@M.Legend - Cool man, good to hear. Glad you're heading in the right direction :)

@Zek - It's more just the fact that girls expect it at night, but are totally caught off guard during the day. I think that guys get the idea that they have to spit game (like with night game), but simply the fact that you walked up and told a girl she was cute in a non-creepy way is more than enough. Just making the girl feel comfortable is most of it.

I don't really do day game anymore because I found that the pressure to approach causes more problems for me than it's worth. That doesn't mean it's out of the question, but I don't like seeing a hot girl on the street and feeling like I'm obligated to approach her.

My cherish was telling me on Saturday that some of her girlfriends literally go out in public and sit somewhere, hoping to be approached by a guy. So if daygame's your thing, go for it. I'd just say don't make it an excuse to avoid going out at night.

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Sunday

Fell in love a lil' bit last night :)

Over the past couple days I'd been a bit frustrated because I'd picked up this stunner last Friday (honestly probably the best set of my life), and played the phone game just about perfect, and still couldn't seem to get her to meet up.

Sunday morning she finally gets back to me and somehow we actually set up a date for later that night. We meet around 7 at this awesome little bar tucked away in an alley. Probably the coolest date spot I've been to.

She's totally different than I had her pegged. I had met her in a loud dance club when she was drunk and dressed to the nines, and given how standoffish she was at first, she seemed like your typical shit-don't-stink club girl.

Turns out she's like the sweetest girl I've ever met.

We talk for a couple hours, then she suggests we go for a walk. I tell her I live pretty close and tell her about something I want to show her at my place.

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We head in, sit down on the couch of a few minutes, and I kiss her.

We keep going, and soon enough it gets more sexual and she's starting to moan a little. I can tell I'm going to love fucking this girl.

It goes very, very slow.

I blow past her initial shit tests ("do you do this often on the first date?"), and we start dry fucking on the couch. Finally get my shirt off and she gets more into it.

I totally didn't expect to get here on this date.

Me: "at least take your shoes off lol"

She does, and I immediately pick her up, carry her halfway to the bed and press her up against the wall. Make out a bit more, then drop her down on the bed.

Her: "you're so different".... "I can't believe we're doing this" ... "I didn't expect this at all"

She wants it bad.

Her shit tests get way worse and more subtle: "what are you thinking right now?", "it's probably better to wait", "I'm kind of nervous". I swear, either girls talk about this stuff, or it's an inborn instinct.

I suck her tits, finger her through her tights and she grabs my dick. It's so hot when she moans.

At this point though, she's started to flip back to the idea that fucking a stranger on the first date isn't in her best interest. I think it mostly had to do with the fact her I didn't blow past her later shit tests with flying colors, like I did with the first ones, but also because our interaction has had boyfriend/girlfriend material written all over it. I don't think we could help that. I tried to ride the frame of "this is crazy I can't believe this is happening, but I'm so turned on right now" (aka the girl frame), but it only worked so well.

We fool around a bit more but she won't take it any further. She has to get up at 5 the next morning and it's after midnight. We've been together for over 5 hours.

We sit on the bed and chat and kiss a bit more. Total romantic comedy material -- I don't know, I can't help it :)

I walk her back to her car and we kiss goodbye.

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1. This whole interaction from meet to fooling around in bed has been one of those "I can't believe this is happening" moments. It's crazy, but at times I'll find myself trying to be in the moment, but thinking that this is the kind of thing people remember their whole life... and I'm in the middle of living it.

2. I'm going to do my best not to read too much into this. This was the best date I've ever had, and with one of the hottest girls I've ever done anything with. I'm excited. But whatever happens it's okay. Whatever happens I'm still the person who got here, and that will never go away.

Cheers :)
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Cat

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Sick.  Straight up.  Love the feeling you are having now :)

Would've suggested to play girl-frame but you did, golf clap.  Only other thing to do is to agree, actually back off, stare at her, DEPENDING ON YOUR INTUITION bring to something serious, then stare back at her and start back up.

She might've just needed more of a specific reason to think "this is crazy but I'm comfortable, so let's go for it".

As much as I hate "game diagnosis", I think this is where you could've worked on "qualifying" her more.  E.g. getting her to speak about things she could be passionate about and telling her that her passionate attitude is cool.  Sounds like she was amazing so in this case, it might've been easier and much more smooth than it sounds.  E.g. you lie down together and pillow talk, cuddle, connect, relate, then sexualize, then relax, then touch, escalate, give it another go.

This is essentially what happens when you add a pause into your dating, e.g. the time in between meeting up for day2 and day3.  You bring it down, reconnect more deeply, bring it back up.

Then again, maybe it was just always a "no".

Either way I'm stoked for you :) 
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She was definitely ready to go at at least a few different points. There's no doubt in my mind that she thought to herself " I just might fuck this guy tonight". I just didn't play the LMR quite as well as I could have. There were a couple things she did that I hadn't really ran into before and didn't really know how to handle that well. Also the fact that it was drawn out over 90 minutes makes it easier to slip up.

I don't think connection/qualification was the issue here. I definitely wanted to stop and go like you said, but the time became an issue. By the time we'd taken a step back it was after midnight and she had to be up at 5.

Anyway, still pretty emotionally attached to this one. We'll see how it goes :)
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Sounds like you are going to have another cherish :) enjoy.

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