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Whatup fools I'm back with another screed hot off the laptop as we cruise into the last week of the Aussie stops on this crazy tour I've been up to. Gonna be in Sydney this week then it's back home for a full 6 weeks off. Here's the remaining schedule for JEFFY HOTSEAT v1.0:

www.jeffyhotseat.com

Australia:
November 26: Sydney

Canada:
January 7: Vancouver
January 14: Calgary
January 21: Toronto
January 28: Montreal

Over the course of the last eleven weeks I've grown a lot both personally and professionally. There was a bit there in the middle where it looked like I was over-exerting myself and blew out my voice. After that, coming into the southern hemisphere I was concerned that the intensity of the tour was fucking it up long term, but it seems that I've now completely adapted to the increased workload; there've been no issues whatsoever this month. Just to be on the safe side though, Alex and I came up with the idea that is so simple we're sort of kicking ourselves for not seeing it earlier: we're just gonna mic ourselves in the future. DURR.

So, after this it's back home to rest up and refocus on health, getting my blog off the ground, quick trip up to Alaska for Xmas with the fam, and then BANG off to spend January in Canada, which sounds absolutely delightful. ha ha.

After that it's going to be time to upgrade the hotseat based on all the feedback we've garnered this time around. 90% of the reviews have been amazing, but there seems to be a small contingent of guys who are all "the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." I spent a year or so intermittently recording in San Francisco for my program and the whole time Tyler was like "dude you need to travel to LA etc to get footage" and my attitude was, "Dude whatever, it's the same shit, they just aren't wearing fuckin cocktail dresses, heels and blowdried hair, if these fuckin idiots are too stupid to tell the difference fuck em"

Aaaaand sure enough, we then see a few reviews all "DURR THEY WERENT WEARING THE COCKTAIL DRESSES FUCK THIS SHIT DURR"

Ok, fine. Looks like I'll be traveling to LA a bit. My game is not the issue as whenever I go down there for bootcamp I kill it just as easily as I do up north, it's just a bit of a hassle for me. BUT I want the next iteration to be PURE PLATINUM with NONE of this shit being an issue in the future... NO QUESTION, NO EXCUSES. Again, the point of hotseat is not "proof Jeffy is awesome," it's to HELP PEOPLE. So when I see guys talking themselves out of believing that what they're seeing before them is legit and will WORK FOR THEM, it's very disheartening. So as the purveyor, guess the ONUS IS ON ME to go and get the footage that will satisfy them. Lesson learned. I'm a bit stubborn (as we all are from time to time) so I had to experience this to get me to come around, but yeah. Of course, there is always going to be the odd random who finds fault regardless, but an outlier is an outlier, whatever.

So anyway, let's get to today's video. Long-term sustainibility in the game. In the intro, I've created a new hybrid of music paying homage to the local aboriginal culture in Perth, as well as the recent trend of dubstep music... WITCHETTY GRUBSTEP. Check it out:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrR3g9IbzU

This is a topic that I'm sure many guys can relate to... every time I ask at a live event if anyone is familiar with these "ups and downs" in the game, you'll get a number of exasperated sighs as people raise their hands. The thing to understand, which I've come to grips with over the course of my ten years doing this, is that these peaks and valleys are acutally NORMAL, and may in fact even be necessary for growth.

A lot of the time, I've found that one of these "down cycles" signifies that I'm about to break through a plateau HARD, as was the case this year.

BUT... nobody is going to do this FOR you. Yes, it's important to surround yourself with the right people, and definitely your peer group can help, but at the end of the day, you need to have a FIRE WITHIN to push yourself beyond where you currently are.

As the saying goes, "the enemy of the great is the good" Like I said with my shit, it's very very GOOD. Personally, I'm completely satisfied with my current level of skill. I get laid whenever I want, with the girls I want. As a result, why the fuck would I want to go out night after night like I did back in the old days when I was scratching and clawing just to become COMPETENT? I see my assistants running around the club all night like psychopaths, SET SET SET SET SET.... and meanwhile I can just chill with a beer all night and then an hour before the club closes casually hit a girl up and BOOM pull her.

Why go through all the effort unless you are highly motivated to do so?

That motivation, for me, was seeing Tyler's experience making his Hotseat 2. His original was great, but anyone who's seen the new shit can attest that the difference is absolutely mind-blowing. Plus, it's obvious he's having a massive amount of FUN doing it, and then seeing the crowds get that higher level of EDUCATIONAL experience from it, well, THAT'S what's inspiring me to take my own shit to the next level and go FULL BORE.

WHY NOT.

Fuck this, this is my profession so let's take this to its logical conclusion... FULL OBNOXIOUS.

It's actually quite exciting... it's a feeling like I had in the old days, the "golden era" when I was just starting out. Back then, everything was awesome, because it was new. Blowout? AWESOME. Get laid? AWESOME. It was like entering into a magical realm of Narnia or some shit, learning the rules of this new world and experiencing magical adventures along the way.

THAT is the fuel that any n00b getting in to this shit must discover and tap into if they want to have any hope of slogging through that initial pain period where they don't see results. And further down the line, it's how you keep passion for the game alive: by pushing yourself continually and finding fascination with the new challenges presented as you descend ever-deeper down the rabbit hole. 

It all comes back to PROCESS OVER OUTCOME. You find the fire, you find the love, and that's how you make it work. All the guys in RSD and all of the best "RSD Success Stories" share that common denominator.

Anyways, I'm excited. Down the rabbit hole we go, further and further.

Catch you next week with a clip from the Perth Free Tour. Until then, stay awesome.

Cheers,

-j

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PS: In Sydney this week, running shop with Alexander (www.alexattitude.com). Free Tour is this THURSDAY, November 24th at the Y Hotel Conference Centre (5-11 Wentworth Ave, Sydney) at 6PM. Seats still available! See you there!

www.jeffyfreetour.com
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#1
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Great post jeffy, 
THE GIRLS DIDNT HAVE A GAP TOOTH, DUUR
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Good shit Jeff,

Love from Perth.

but we managed to beast other clubs didn't we?. so F**K. deen.
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 Tyler is a juggernaut. You're pretty good tho.
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The nipples on the front page inspire me to get out of my current slump.
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 Fucking deen. That place is quite a joke. And yes, i think the percentage of girls is hottest in the true Australian City of Perth.
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 Oh, btw... 

I have to say that the Melbourne crew is probably better than the Perth Crew.

Its like, Perth have their starting Five of solid performers, funny dudes who are very committed.

But melbourne have their crew of about 15, who are much more well organised, perform well, but not as well as the perth guys, and are hooked up in some of the hottest clubs in the country after months of working doors and meeting in the right people. 

Perth is like the honest underdog, but the melbourne crew is like a corporation. Professional, and getting shit done. Melbourne is better, but perth is better with girls.

Its been a pleasure to be hosted by both you guys over the last two weeks. 

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" A lot of the time, I've found that one of these "down cycles" signifies that I'm about to break through a plateau HARD, as was the case this year."

I hope you're right, I just crashed basically, which is funny because it's such as hard crash it's like "really?" A plateau after this would be welcome by me, otherwise I hope I get hit by a meteor. 
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how can someone become an assistant?
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good stuff

very original song btw :)
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hotseat in melbourne, 
fucking incredible
mind blowing

went out afterwards, and got amazing results... like fucking amazing

people who don't believe a pussy faggots who read everything but never apply it
APPLY THIS SHIT! 
its pretty simple: girls are always nice and single (at least i make them)
there is nothing to fear

i guarentee amazing results!!!

thanks jeff, alex and all RSD for the great resources over the years
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good post, yes we should be seeing the big picture in the end anyway, instead i guess every wants the fast track results of game.
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Nadz182 wrote:
hotseat in melbourne, 
fucking incredible
mind blowing

went out afterwards, and got amazing results... like fucking amazing

people who don't believe a pussy faggots who read everything but never apply it
APPLY THIS SHIT! 
its pretty simple: girls are always nice and single (at least i make them)
there is nothing to fear

i guarentee amazing results!!!

thanks jeff, alex and all RSD for the great resources over the years

Great stuff mate! Where did you go out?!
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Sweet!  Yeah you will love taking a newbie's approach to game at the existing level -- FULL HILARITY.  It's like a kid with a rocket launcher running around blowing shit up.
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Just watched the vid it's pretty sick.

The idea about the longterm progress I guess IS pretty hard to understand if you're new.

With the improvements at our level it's really about doing what we do ONCE IN A WHILE, and then RATIONALIZE as being "what we're capable of..." and then doing it CONSISTENTLY.

There's nothing I'm doing now I didn't do at 22.  It's just that back then I did it once a year and bragged about it over and over so it seemed real to me, even though I couldn't do it all the time.

With recording Hot Seat it's sick cause your rationalizations are put in your face every day.  You're like "Uhh yeah I do some cool shit but I have some big sticking points here..."  Then you fix them.

Also having Julien's no excuse attitude helped me massive cause dood just doesn't take any bullshit he's gonna go for the gold no matter what, even say that insane thing that would seem too hardcore if it has even 1% chance of working, so he's fully aligned with ultimate success on 10's and in the best clubs.

He's the type of guy where if we're gonna hustle into a top club he's going to hit girl after girl, lie his ass off to them that he's a promoter to try to get them to escort us in.  He's shamelss as fuck so all the ego and excuses are gone.

To be honest I think the 5 top things I had to do to break my plateau was...

1- Go out every day even if it's just for 20 minutes.  I get all the insights about how to get in state in those 20 minutes so it's like half the lessons of the night in that key 20 minutes regardless.

2- Push on the 10's and not rationalize being in with an 8 and staying in set.  Literally blowing off the types of girls most guys would kill to fuck to go for the hottest girl in the club.  This is a lot harder than it sounds, it's extremely extremely extremely easy to talk about and HARD to do.  Most guys will never even sleep with an 8 in their lives and you're throwing them away like trash.

3- Stop making the shift from Owen and Tyler, literally just be a fucken dickhead whose going to hit on the girl sitting next to me at the restaurant even though it's cheesy and inappropriate.  Stop saying to myself "No I'm not going to be like this here..."  Even hitting up girls at the gym which I think is tacky as hell and lame, doing it because it forces you to FULLY BECOME that guy.  I don't even think most guys should do this because it's lame and not worth the weirdness, but to break the plateau at our level it becomes needed.

4- Create firm rules that govern my behavior, like if I see a certain girl I have to go in, if I begin my night I have to maintain a certain pacing and rhythm etc, and doing this blindly.  I actually spent MONTHS doing nothing other than building up PREFRONTAL CORTEX so that I'd stop sinking back into autopilot and rationalizing.  This was why you saw me looking at the Kobe Bryant ids over and over, so I'd just tune my RAS to go in and find a solution to bullshit scenarios.  I think I spent months becoming a bit weird and unnatural socially in order to train myself to just GO GO GO.  It fucks you up short term but makes you a beast long term.  Kiss getting laid as consistently as before good bye for a few months if you do this, it makes you a friggin weirdo but works in the long term to make you do what you're supposed to do, and when it finally becomes naturalized you can now control your behavior but without this weird teeth-grating of going against your subconscious.  Highly recommended.

5- Make the choice to fully self amuse and start blithely clapping your hands or jumping if you're out of state.  Basically say to yourself "I'm an adult and value my time, I don't care about appearances I just do what works, so I'm going to freakishly put myself into state come hell or high water if it fucken kills me".  This is basically an extreme level of being process oriented and as long as you did the specific actions to try to go in state you're happy even if your night sucks.  But usually your night goes amazing.

Doing all this is what got me to where I'm at now, but I still see it's going to take another year or two to get to where I ultimately envisioned myself gamewise in 2001.

It REALLY IS a "10 years to mastery" curve as George Leonard says and because I took time off during my 10 years it's roughly the amount of time I took off that I have left to reach it.  By PUA community standards I obviously have mastery -- like I think even the best naturals suck and WE ALL suck -- so'd it seems weird to say otherwise but by the standards of what mastery REALLY is yeah I'd say I'll hit it around age 35 if I stick at it.

That's where it just becomes so automatic it's SCARY.  Like in the way that a Navy Seal or UFC Fighter can kill you in a way that makes you marvel at what human efficiency can become capable of, like send shivers down your spine, that's what it'll be.

Tyler
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Lol. Wow.

Tyler wrote:
Just watched the vid it's pretty sick.

The idea about the longterm progress I guess IS pretty hard to understand if you're new.

With the improvements at our level it's really about doing what we do ONCE IN A WHILE, and then RATIONALIZE as being "what we're capable of..." and then doing it CONSISTENTLY.

There's nothing I'm doing now I didn't do at 22.  It's just that back then I did it once a year and bragged about it over and over so it seemed real to me, even though I couldn't do it all the time.

With recording Hot Seat it's sick cause your rationalizations are put in your face every day.  You're like "Uhh yeah I do some cool shit but I have some big sticking points here..."  Then you fix them.

Also having Julien's no excuse attitude helped me massive cause dood just doesn't take any bullshit he's gonna go for the gold no matter what, even say that insane thing that would seem too hardcore if it has even 1% chance of working, so he's fully aligned with ultimate success on 10's and in the best clubs.

He's the type of guy where if we're gonna hustle into a top club he's going to hit girl after girl, lie his ass off to them that he's a promoter to try to get them to escort us in.  He's shamelss as fuck so all the ego and excuses are gone.

To be honest I think the 5 top things I had to do to break my plateau was...

1- Go out every day even if it's just for 20 minutes.  I get all the insights about how to get in state in those 20 minutes so it's like half the lessons of the night in that key 20 minutes regardless.

2- Push on the 10's and not rationalize being in with an 8 and staying in set.  Literally blowing off the types of girls most guys would kill to fuck to go for the hottest girl in the club.  This is a lot harder than it sounds, it's extremely extremely extremely easy to talk about and HARD to do.  Most guys will never even sleep with an 8 in their lives and you're throwing them away like trash.

3- Stop making the shift from Owen and Tyler, literally just be a fucken dickhead whose going to hit on the girl sitting next to me at the restaurant even though it's cheesy and inappropriate.  Stop saying to myself "No I'm not going to be like this here..."  Even hitting up girls at the gym which I think is tacky as hell and lame, doing it because it forces you to FULLY BECOME that guy.  I don't even think most guys should do this because it's lame and not worth the weirdness, but to break the plateau at our level it becomes needed.

4- Create firm rules that govern my behavior, like if I see a certain girl I have to go in, if I begin my night I have to maintain a certain pacing and rhythm etc, and doing this blindly.  I actually spent MONTHS doing nothing other than building up PREFRONTAL CORTEX so that I'd stop sinking back into autopilot and rationalizing.  This was why you saw me looking at the Kobe Bryant ids over and over, so I'd just tune my RAS to go in and find a solution to bullshit scenarios.  I think I spent months becoming a bit weird and unnatural socially in order to train myself to just GO GO GO.  It fucks you up short term but makes you a beast long term.  Kiss getting laid as consistently as before good bye for a few months if you do this, it makes you a friggin weirdo but works in the long term to make you do what you're supposed to do, and when it finally becomes naturalized you can now control your behavior but without this weird teeth-grating of going against your subconscious.  Highly recommended.

5- Make the choice to fully self amuse and start blithely clapping your hands or jumping if you're out of state.  Basically say to yourself "I'm an adult and value my time, I don't care about appearances I just do what works, so I'm going to freakishly put myself into state come hell or high water if it fucken kills me".  This is basically an extreme level of being process oriented and as long as you did the specific actions to try to go in state you're happy even if your night sucks.  But usually your night goes amazing.

Doing all this is what got me to where I'm at now, but I still see it's going to take another year or two to get to where I ultimately envisioned myself gamewise in 2001.

It REALLY IS a "10 years to mastery" curve as George Leonard says and because I took time off during my 10 years it's roughly the amount of time I took off that I have left to reach it.  By PUA community standards I obviously have mastery -- like I think even the best naturals suck and WE ALL suck -- so'd it seems weird to say otherwise but by the standards of what mastery REALLY is yeah I'd say I'll hit it around age 35 if I stick at it.

That's where it just becomes so automatic it's SCARY.  Like in the way that a Navy Seal or UFC Fighter can kill you in a way that makes you marvel at what human efficiency can become capable of, like send shivers down your spine, that's what it'll be.

Tyler
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HeartRate wrote:
Thanks for the article Jeffy! Maybe a big part of the long-term work is creating a day-to-day that has the girl stream "built-in" (like being a barman, or a yoga instructor, or living near a nurse school, etc.).

Oh, and they don't know shit. That haircut is awesome.
haha yeah, now he puts water in  it to make it stringy and yuk for addedd effect. 

The girl who told him abot the no mullet policy also said 'and franky its ugly" but she was actually very ugly. 

Last week he was rocking the HOTTEST clubs in New York and Los Angles with the best connections, this week idiots at the door ar being idiots. 

Australia...

Alex~
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Good stuff!
100% agree with the stuff about the crew you hang out with...We went out with some guys we haven't partied with in a while, one in particular just doesn't give a fuck, going up to PR girls and putting their own stickers on their tits. Pretty soon we were constantly all going for the hottest girls in the club, having a great time doing stupid dances and not giving a fuck so girls were coming up to us. We want to party with them in Liverpool again soon.
ATM feel like I am on some sort of plateau in that I keep getting phone numbers, k close etc but nothing solid leading to full action, however there is no doubt things will come back together soon
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 Holy shit, 

this three bullet points pinched my brain right in the center:

2- Push on the 10's and not rationalize being in with an 8 and staying in set. Literally blowing off the types of girls most guys would kill to fuck to go for the hottest girl in the club. This is a lot harder than it sounds, it's extremely extremely extremely easy to talk about and HARD to do. Most guys will never even sleep with an 8 in their lives and you're throwing them away like trash.

3- Stop making the shift from Owen and Tyler, literally just be a fucken dickhead whose going to hit on the girl sitting next to me at the restaurant even though it's cheesy and inappropriate. Stop saying to myself "No I'm not going to be like this here..." Even hitting up girls at the gym which I think is tacky as hell and lame, doing it because it forces you to FULLY BECOME that guy. I don't even think most guys should do this because it's lame and not worth the weirdness, but to break the plateau at our level it becomes needed.

4- Create firm rules that govern my behavior, like if I see a certain girl I have to go in, if I begin my night I have to maintain a certain pacing and rhythm etc, and doing this blindly. I actually spent MONTHS doing nothing other than building up PREFRONTAL CORTEX so that I'd stop sinking back into autopilot and rationalizing. This was why you saw me looking at the Kobe Bryant ids over and over, so I'd just tune my RAS to go in and find a solution to bullshit scenarios. I think I spent months becoming a bit weird and unnatural socially in order to train myself to just GO GO GO. It fucks you up short term but makes you a beast long term. Kiss getting laid as consistently as before good bye for a few months if you do this, it makes you a friggin weirdo but works in the long term to make you do what you're supposed to do, and when it finally becomes naturalized you can now control your behavior but without this weird teeth-grating of going against your subconscious. Highly recommended.


Definetely i´ll be working on this points, right now i´m having a "low period" which correlates greatly with jeffy´s video (thanks by the way).

Not hitting 10´s hard enough or second-guessing if it´s appropriate to hit on girls in certain scenarios (once i´ve been burned by this, but fuck it) and lack of control of my prefrontal cortex to just ACT ON COMMAND are kind of my current sticking points.

Thanks Owen a.k.a Tyler from Real Social Dynamics for laying those out, your insights are always a great source for hitting the next level.
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This is also a great insight, specially for guys that already have been proactively hitting on girls for years.

Sometimes is hard to re-live the excitement that i had when i was just starting out approaching and picking up girls. The blowouts, the weird/funny/unexpected reactions you sometimes get, the things that you wouldn´t even know that you were capable of doing, the pick up bloopers, the girls that are telling you to fuck of and five minutes later are sucking your cock in a dark corner next to a bathroom, the epiphanies etc. 

To go out, kiss your "i´m good with girls" ego goodbye and pushing yourself hard for growth once more is a very humble thing to do, and very rewarding too.
jlaix wrote:

It's actually quite exciting... it's a feeling like I had in the old days, the "golden era" when I was just starting out. Back then, everything was awesome, because it was new. Blowout? AWESOME. Get laid? AWESOME. It was like entering into a magical realm of Narnia or some shit, learning the rules of this new world and experiencing magical adventures along the way.
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Alexander~ wrote:

HeartRate wrote:
Thanks for the article Jeffy! Maybe a big part of the long-term work is creating a day-to-day that has the girl stream "built-in" (like being a barman, or a yoga instructor, or living near a nurse school, etc.).

Oh, and they don't know shit. That haircut is awesome.
haha yeah, now he puts water in  it to make it stringy and yuk for addedd effect. 

The girl who told him abot the no mullet policy also said 'and franky its ugly" but she was actually very ugly. 

Last week he was rocking the HOTTEST clubs in New York and Los Angles with the best connections, this week idiots at the door ar being idiots. 

Australia...

Alex~
I am pretty sure I know the girl you are talking about. She should have been given  a free ticket to Hotseat. to see the magic of the Mullet, ( or a free copy of GLODT)
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I really like your positive attitude in this video! All the best!
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 Yup...all about the vision in your mind....I love using that to motivate me and get me into the zone regardless of the chodes staring around aimlessly...
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I totally dug -- and totally needed to hear -- Jeffy's point about the down periods, and taking a WIDE ANGLE LENS look at game, instead of a microscope. In the last week, I've had two Day 2's with girls I was very attracted to, and they weren't in to me. My first instinct is to say, "What's wrong??! What'd I do to fuck it up?" And, OK, if it happens 10 more times, maybe it's back to the drawing board. But big picture, I see it as a couple girls I didn't have enough natural chemistry, compared to the dozens of girls I HAVE had chemistry with this year. It's like the Dow Jones. If you follow and obsess the peaks and valleys on a daily basis, your head's gonna explode. Just stick with the process, be expressive and fun and awesome and attracted and let the chips fall. 
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sick video.

bravo jeff.keep it up. 
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Jeff, I was at the London Hotseat and in spite of your efforts (long seminar + being a funny guy) I felt like it was a total letdown.

You claim that people didn't like it only because they felt that the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." but that's not true at all.

It's a combination of many different things and I know a great deal of people didn't even bother to write their negative reviews (like me for exemple), especially under a section called 'success story'.

Why am I even writing this? I don't give a shit whether you delude yourself or not but I guess I might be doing you a favor by pointing out that what you are referring to below wasn't the only thing that was wrong with the Hotseat.... and I'm affraid it won't help you when you come back to London with your awesome new clips showing you banging some LA bitches...

It's one thing to CREATE your reality and it's another to DENY reality. I just can't shut the fuck up when I read shit like this. Sorry! :-)
jlaix wrote:

After that it's going to be time to upgrade the hotseat based on all the feedback we've garnered this time around. 90% of the reviews have been amazing, but there seems to be a small contingent of guys who are all "the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." I spent a year or so intermittently recording in San Francisco for my program and the whole time Tyler was like "dude you need to travel to LA etc to get footage" and my attitude was, "Dude whatever, it's the same shit, they just aren't wearing fuckin cocktail dresses, heels and blowdried hair, if these fuckin idiots are too stupid to tell the difference fuck em"

Aaaaand sure enough, we then see a few reviews all "DURR THEY WERENT WEARING THE COCKTAIL DRESSES FUCK THIS SHIT DURR"

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 1. Leo - Why not be a bit more useful and point out what you thought was wrong with it? I personally thought it was excellent.

2. The date rape guy was a fucking tard. Just saying.
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Jeff, 2 questions, sir! At Summit, you talked about internet dates and the importance of escalating physically. My questions: 

1. How specifically do you escalate on an internet date -- the same way you would in a club? High-fives, smelling her hair/neck, etc.? 

2. On average, how much time passes before you go for the kiss?

Thanks.
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Another awesome vid Jeffy. 
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Jumpin

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 No way are you gona hit us with the Skrillex.. damn that's 2 things I admire about you now.

Thanks for this jeffy. A clean genuine talk.

Truth's been told. 

Gotta go and go again
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#30
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 Tyler. You're a monster. Can't wait to see you at 35.
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Alexander~ wrote:
 Fucking deen. That place is quite a joke. And yes, i think the percentage of girls is hottest in the true Australian City of Perth.
HAha the deen :) reminds me of my time in perth and the huge selection of bars/clubs at northbridge 
also good was when you go down, pass mustang bar and than the next you go left...there are bars with a terrace on the 1st floor and you can stand outside...quite cood for seperation ...cant remember the name but you ll see it if you walk as people are standing there outside....and if you continue to go even further to the west you come to varga which can be quite good as well.

If you want more of a club go to Burswood -  Eve Club http://www.eveclub.com.au (ex Ruby Room) quite good on friday/saturday
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I'm pretty good with day 2's, treat an internet date like a regular date, but realize a lot of the work has already been done for you, and it's pretty obvious she wants to fuck.

Physical off the get go, flirt ruthlessly, playful sexual teasing, mix in some normal convo too so she knows youre sane. But yeah, pull that hair, smell her, massages, claw, any kind of escalation you like to do. As for timelines, the faster the better but use a bit of common sense. Like probably not best to go for an instant make out lol. I'd say about an hour - general guideline.

Can obviously be done faster, or slower. But makeout with her before you pull her home. If you're pulling her home (to "play video games" or "smoke weed" or "play guitar") as a bonus, lightly but with dominance push her up against a wall and makeout. Keep walking as though nothing happened, grab her hand, she'll be all horny by the time you reach your place.

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Roark101 wrote:

1. How specifically do you escalate on an internet date -- the same way you would in a club? High-fives, smelling her hair/neck, etc.? 

2. On average, how much time passes before you go for the kiss?

Thanks.
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Alexander~ wrote:
 Oh, btw... 

I have to say that the Melbourne crew is probably better than the Perth Crew.

Its like, Perth have their starting Five of solid performers, funny dudes who are very committed.

But melbourne have their crew of about 15, who are much more well organised, perform well, but not as well as the perth guys, and are hooked up in some of the hottest clubs in the country after months of working doors and meeting in the right people. 

Perth is like the honest underdog, but the melbourne crew is like a corporation. Professional, and getting shit done. Melbourne is better, but perth is better with girls.

Its been a pleasure to be hosted by both you guys over the last two weeks. 

Alex~
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#34

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Alexander~ wrote:

Nadz182 wrote:
hotseat in melbourne, 
fucking incredible
mind blowing

went out afterwards, and got amazing results... like fucking amazing

people who don't believe a pussy faggots who read everything but never apply it
APPLY THIS SHIT! 
its pretty simple: girls are always nice and single (at least i make them)
there is nothing to fear

i guarentee amazing results!!!

thanks jeff, alex and all RSD for the great resources over the years

Great stuff mate! Where did you go out?!
i went to BANG, it was around the corner from the seminar: hot blondes and hot alternative girls
i told you about it during the event. you would have got all the guys in.
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btw I've been twisting Papa's arm for years to change the name of the "Success Stories" forum to "Unbiased Reviews" because we leave up everything regardless.

Your review here is BRUTAL though btw. LOL.  Cause it offers Jeff no insight on how to improve the event AT ALL. :)  "You were funny and ran the event several extra hours, but it just has a general suckiness to it"??  That's all I can get out of it.

I'd say go post the negative review in the Success Stories forum as some people have regardless, so Jeff can gain some feedback.  And although I've been to Jeff's event and think it's super good (honestly I don't relate to the bad reviews at all) -- if you didn't connect with it then get a full refund.  Not sure if the 30 days has past or not but that's what it's there for.

Tyler
Leo-~ wrote:
Jeff, I was at the London Hotseat and in spite of your efforts (long seminar + being a funny guy) I felt like it was a total letdown.

You claim that people didn't like it only because they felt that the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." but that's not true at all.

It's a combination of many different things and I know a great deal of people didn't even bother to write their negative reviews (like me for exemple), especially under a section called 'success story'.

Why am I even writing this? I don't give a shit whether you delude yourself or not but I guess I might be doing you a favor by pointing out that what you are referring to below wasn't the only thing that was wrong with the Hotseat.... and I'm affraid it won't help you when you come back to London with your awesome new clips showing you banging some LA bitches...

It's one thing to CREATE your reality and it's another to DENY reality. I just can't shut the fuck up when I read shit like this. Sorry! :-)
jlaix wrote:

After that it's going to be time to upgrade the hotseat based on all the feedback we've garnered this time around. 90% of the reviews have been amazing, but there seems to be a small contingent of guys who are all "the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." I spent a year or so intermittently recording in San Francisco for my program and the whole time Tyler was like "dude you need to travel to LA etc to get footage" and my attitude was, "Dude whatever, it's the same shit, they just aren't wearing fuckin cocktail dresses, heels and blowdried hair, if these fuckin idiots are too stupid to tell the difference fuck em"

Aaaaand sure enough, we then see a few reviews all "DURR THEY WERENT WEARING THE COCKTAIL DRESSES FUCK THIS SHIT DURR"

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#36
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DJMarco wrote:

Alexander~ wrote:

HeartRate wrote:
Thanks for the article Jeffy! Maybe a big part of the long-term work is creating a day-to-day that has the girl stream "built-in" (like being a barman, or a yoga instructor, or living near a nurse school, etc.).

Oh, and they don't know shit. That haircut is awesome.
haha yeah, now he puts water in  it to make it stringy and yuk for addedd effect. 

The girl who told him abot the no mullet policy also said 'and franky its ugly" but she was actually very ugly. 

Last week he was rocking the HOTTEST clubs in New York and Los Angles with the best connections, this week idiots at the door ar being idiots. 

Australia...

Alex~
I am pretty sure I know the girl you are talking about. She should have been given  a free ticket to Hotseat. to see the magic of the Mullet, ( or a free copy of GLODT)
Haha, that would be like saying, she could have used a bit of loosening up yep. 

Its not the smartest idea to sling shit at jeffy when his in his realm of bootcamp...

Alex~
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Tyler wrote:
btw I've been twisting Papa's arm for years to change the name of the "Success Stories" forum to "Unbiased Reviews" because we leave up everything regardless.

Yes, you need to get him to do this. 
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Platzhirsch wrote:

Alexander~ wrote:
 Fucking deen. That place is quite a joke. And yes, i think the percentage of girls is hottest in the true Australian City of Perth.
HAha the deen :) reminds me of my time in perth and the huge selection of bars/clubs at northbridge 
also good was when you go down, pass mustang bar and than the next you go left...there are bars with a terrace on the 1st floor and you can stand outside...quite cood for seperation ...cant remember the name but you ll see it if you walk as people are standing there outside....and if you continue to go even further to the west you come to varga which can be quite good as well.

If you want more of a club go to Burswood -  Eve Club http://www.eveclub.com.au (ex Ruby Room) quite good on friday/saturday
Lol what? Are you kidding?

Northbridge is freaking terrible, and Burswood is even worse. If you love drunk 18yr old 6s and 7s....fine.....
Otherwise, Subiaco, Claremont, Perth City side, and even Leederville are where the actual hot girls go.

I'm quite surprised at how happy Alex was with the girls out while he and Jeffy were in Perth, because I didn't think they were up to usual standards. I guess maybe we really are spoilt over here in Perth!
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#39

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 Good stuff. Sometimes I get a sense that Jeffy reveals some issues of his when I see his vids, but this time it only happened when you mentioned your girlfriend. This was A. completely straightforward and understandable, and B. so minor that I wouldn't have remembered had I not written this post.
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#40
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What I wrote is a comment. Not a review.

I don't like the underlying assumption I got from reading what Jeff wrote below, which seemed to say:
"My program was awesome and everybody that disagrees only does so because he is too dumb to get how awesome it was..."

There was some good stuff in there too, of course. Your videos (Owen) were tight and the online section (with the 'dates' vids) was pretty cool. 

The bad was mostly due to the organization of the clips, some missed the point (like the daygame section), the exercises at the end were useless as fuck, etc. Basically I think it could have much better from a teaching point of view if we had watched more 'Tyler videos' (or even watch some once or twice again, just to study and notice more deeply what we missed at first sight) instead of wasting time with funny clips that clearly taught NOTHING at all. 

The point is that in my opinion this was more aimed at fans of Jeffy than guys who genuinely wanted to either learn or improve their game.
There must be a good reason you had a rejection, opening and escaltion compilations at the first hotseat, which are excellent learning tools that barrage you with repeated exemples. But this wasnt reall the case here.

Anyway, this space should be reserved for comments on jeff s articles and i have better stuff going on in life than writing shit on internet forums!

I m sorry to say that those who didn't like jeff's hotseat aren't all loser, idiots and drug addicts who just couldn't appreciate jeffy's fetiche for ugly girls! But other than that i love you all :-)
lol
Tyler wrote:
btw I've been twisting Papa's arm for years to change the name of the "Success Stories" forum to "Unbiased Reviews" because we leave up everything regardless.

Your review here is BRUTAL though btw. LOL.  Cause it offers Jeff no insight on how to improve the event AT ALL. :)  "You were funny and ran the event several extra hours, but it just has a general suckiness to it"??  That's all I can get out of it.

I'd say go post the negative review in the Success Stories forum as some people have regardless, so Jeff can gain some feedback.  And although I've been to Jeff's event and think it's super good (honestly I don't relate to the bad reviews at all) -- if you didn't connect with it then get a full refund.  Not sure if the 30 days has past or not but that's what it's there for.

Tyler
Leo-~ wrote:
Jeff, I was at the London Hotseat and in spite of your efforts (long seminar + being a funny guy) I felt like it was a total letdown.

You claim that people didn't like it only because they felt that the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." but that's not true at all.

It's a combination of many different things and I know a great deal of people didn't even bother to write their negative reviews (like me for exemple), especially under a section called 'success story'.

Why am I even writing this? I don't give a shit whether you delude yourself or not but I guess I might be doing you a favor by pointing out that what you are referring to below wasn't the only thing that was wrong with the Hotseat.... and I'm affraid it won't help you when you come back to London with your awesome new clips showing you banging some LA bitches...

It's one thing to CREATE your reality and it's another to DENY reality. I just can't shut the fuck up when I read shit like this. Sorry! :-)
jlaix wrote:

After that it's going to be time to upgrade the hotseat based on all the feedback we've garnered this time around. 90% of the reviews have been amazing, but there seems to be a small contingent of guys who are all "the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." I spent a year or so intermittently recording in San Francisco for my program and the whole time Tyler was like "dude you need to travel to LA etc to get footage" and my attitude was, "Dude whatever, it's the same shit, they just aren't wearing fuckin cocktail dresses, heels and blowdried hair, if these fuckin idiots are too stupid to tell the difference fuck em"

Aaaaand sure enough, we then see a few reviews all "DURR THEY WERENT WEARING THE COCKTAIL DRESSES FUCK THIS SHIT DURR"


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#41

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 Not disrespecting you personally Leo but I wouldnt read too much into what the London PUA scene as a whole thought of Jeffy... I remember when he did a FREE TOUR years ago and there were all these negative reviews on the l.air board about the most inane shit, upset about how they could hear gurgling sounds on the microphone when he drank... etc etc...at a 2 hour free tour packed with info. RASing into totally bizarre things.

I dunno what it's like now but back then the London PU scene was very "methods and weirdery" focussed.  It's partly because PU is so popular there and  there's like 15 different pickup companies there all pushing their wares on the boards and trying to differentiate themselves with their "methods".  It gets into peoples heads, they expect a magic pill and start analysing everything through those lenses.

I dunno how that compares to PU in other big cities around the world.  I got off the London boards years ago because of the bad energy though.
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#42
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Silvers wrote:

Platzhirsch wrote:

Alexander~ wrote:
 Fucking deen. That place is quite a joke. And yes, i think the percentage of girls is hottest in the true Australian City of Perth.
HAha the deen :) reminds me of my time in perth and the huge selection of bars/clubs at northbridge 
also good was when you go down, pass mustang bar and than the next you go left...there are bars with a terrace on the 1st floor and you can stand outside...quite cood for seperation ...cant remember the name but you ll see it if you walk as people are standing there outside....and if you continue to go even further to the west you come to varga which can be quite good as well.

If you want more of a club go to Burswood -  Eve Club http://www.eveclub.com.au (ex Ruby Room) quite good on friday/saturday
Lol what? Are you kidding?

Northbridge is freaking terrible, and Burswood is even worse. If you love drunk 18yr old 6s and 7s....fine.....
Otherwise, Subiaco, Claremont, Perth City side, and even Leederville are where the actual hot girls go.

I'm quite surprised at how happy Alex was with the girls out while he and Jeffy were in Perth, because I didn't think they were up to usual standards. I guess maybe we really are spoilt over here in Perth!

Hahah yep you are definently spoiled.

I like the subiaco scene. But for a bootcamp with 6 students, 2 instructors and several asisstants... its had to be the city. It performed very well though for quality girls. 

No finland, but pretty good.

Alex~
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#43
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Rich~ wrote:
 Not disrespecting you personally Leo but I wouldnt read too much into what the London PUA scene as a whole thought of Jeffy... I remember when he did a FREE TOUR years ago and there were all these negative reviews on the l.air board about the most inane shit, upset about how they could hear gurgling sounds on the microphone when he drank... etc etc...at a 2 hour free tour packed with info. RASing into totally bizarre things.

I dunno what it's like now but back then the London PU scene was very "methods and weirdery" focussed.  It's partly because PU is so popular there and  there's like 15 different pickup companies there all pushing their wares on the boards and trying to differentiate themselves with their "methods".  It gets into peoples heads, they expect a magic pill and start analysing everything through those lenses.

I dunno how that compares to PU in other big cities around the world.  I got off the London boards years ago because of the bad energy though.

Oh man really?! I remember some of the times you and I were romping around there it was insane. Full of stunngin girls in harry potter castle clubs with 50 lair type guys grabbing my arms and asking thigs like "nice watch, where did you get it" it was hilarious. But the contrast effect was awesome. IN that environment you literally have the whole club looking at you and the girls wondering who is this guy?!

I love london. Take me back there.

Alex~
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#44
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 Yeah thats just the thing, the best clubs are such a pain to get into, that you can't take a boot camp there :(
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#45

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I know a few good London guys who went to the hotseat. I've heard bad things from the dudes about it but I honestly think from hearing their recollection it's for one reason. A few of them of rationalised reasons as to why they didn't like it but the only thing that they all said that to me is probably a big reason for it is..

All of them have relayed to me that there was like 20 chode fan boys who got up and started clapping and shit when Jeffy came into the room and there was a fan boy vibe that put them off, I honestly think from that point on they were so keen to disidentify from the sycophancy that they interpreted the whole thing as bad, especially as I know dudes in other cities etc who called me immediately to harp on about how fucking sick it is and have since actually improved quite a bit as a result of what they saw.
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btw I've been twisting Papa's arm for years to change the name of the "Success Stories" forum to "Unbiased Reviews" because we leave up everything regardless.

Your review here is BRUTAL though btw. LOL.  Cause it offers Jeff no insight on how to improve the event AT ALL. :)  "You were funny and ran the event several extra hours, but it just has a general suckiness to it"??  That's all I can get out of it.

I'd say go post the negative review in the Success Stories forum as some people have regardless, so Jeff can gain some feedback.  And although I've been to Jeff's event and think it's super good (honestly I don't relate to the bad reviews at all) -- if you didn't connect with it then get a full refund.  Not sure if the 30 days has past or not but that's what it's there for.

Tyler
Leo-~ wrote:
Jeff, I was at the London Hotseat and in spite of your efforts (long seminar + being a funny guy) I felt like it was a total letdown.

You claim that people didn't like it only because they felt that the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." but that's not true at all.

It's a combination of many different things and I know a great deal of people didn't even bother to write their negative reviews (like me for exemple), especially under a section called 'success story'.

Why am I even writing this? I don't give a shit whether you delude yourself or not but I guess I might be doing you a favor by pointing out that what you are referring to below wasn't the only thing that was wrong with the Hotseat.... and I'm affraid it won't help you when you come back to London with your awesome new clips showing you banging some LA bitches...

It's one thing to CREATE your reality and it's another to DENY reality. I just can't shut the fuck up when I read shit like this. Sorry! :-)
jlaix wrote:

After that it's going to be time to upgrade the hotseat based on all the feedback we've garnered this time around. 90% of the reviews have been amazing, but there seems to be a small contingent of guys who are all "the girls aren't 9s and 10's I only game 9s and 10s durr." I spent a year or so intermittently recording in San Francisco for my program and the whole time Tyler was like "dude you need to travel to LA etc to get footage" and my attitude was, "Dude whatever, it's the same shit, they just aren't wearing fuckin cocktail dresses, heels and blowdried hair, if these fuckin idiots are too stupid to tell the difference fuck em"

Aaaaand sure enough, we then see a few reviews all "DURR THEY WERENT WEARING THE COCKTAIL DRESSES FUCK THIS SHIT DURR"


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#46

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Rich hit the nail on the head there, I went to some events for another board and it was definately creepy stalker vibe. To contract everyone I've been out with of this board has been cool, like genuinely fun dudes. 
Alexander~ wrote:

Rich~ wrote:
 Not disrespecting you personally Leo but I wouldnt read too much into what the London PUA scene as a whole thought of Jeffy... I remember when he did a FREE TOUR years ago and there were all these negative reviews on the l.air board about the most inane shit, upset about how they could hear gurgling sounds on the microphone when he drank... etc etc...at a 2 hour free tour packed with info. RASing into totally bizarre things.

I dunno what it's like now but back then the London PU scene was very "methods and weirdery" focussed.  It's partly because PU is so popular there and  there's like 15 different pickup companies there all pushing their wares on the boards and trying to differentiate themselves with their "methods".  It gets into peoples heads, they expect a magic pill and start analysing everything through those lenses.

I dunno how that compares to PU in other big cities around the world.  I got off the London boards years ago because of the bad energy though.

Oh man really?! I remember some of the times you and I were romping around there it was insane. Full of stunngin girls in harry potter castle clubs with 50 lair type guys grabbing my arms and asking thigs like "nice watch, where did you get it" it was hilarious. But the contrast effect was awesome. IN that environment you literally have the whole club looking at you and the girls wondering who is this guy?!

I love london. Take me back there.

Alex~
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#47
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Laaavish, thanks for the tips on escalating on Day 2/Internet dates. I definitely need to get more sexual/physical sooner. I fall back into my comfort zone of being verbal and fun but NOT showing that I'm sexual/turned on -- which, if I was being truly transparent with a hot girl, I WOULD be showing. I also have inner-game issues (or maybe this is social conditioning) with being called out as a "weirdo... or creepy." Which is kind of insane, of course, because the girl is ON A DATE AND WANTS TO HAVE SEX. I'll keep at it, obviously. Thanks, yo.  
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#48
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Durrr he doesn't pull 9's and 10's

You realise guys who make those comments live in their moms basement and fucking suck? You should say "do you even go out?".

Let them rationalise what they want, i've been in this 3 years. Message to all the kids yes it works not for you? thats right cause you fucking suck and don't push it hard enough dickhead now stop being a keyboard warrior.

Edit: actually what the fuck is there to even "work" THERE IS NOT FUCKING SOMETHING "WORKING" JUST GO OUT AND TALK TO WOMAN, THERE IS NO FUCKNG WEIRD SHIT ABOUT IT FUCK ME!
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Stop the presses. There are weirdos in the PUA community.
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EventH

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Rich~ wrote:
 Not disrespecting you personally Leo but I wouldnt read too much into what the London PUA scene as a whole thought of Jeffy... I remember when he did a FREE TOUR years ago and there were all these negative reviews on the l.air board about the most inane shit, upset about how they could hear gurgling sounds on the microphone when he drank... etc etc...at a 2 hour free tour packed with info. RASing into totally bizarre things.

I dunno what it's like now but back then the London PU scene was very "methods and weirdery" focussed.  It's partly because PU is so popular there and  there's like 15 different pickup companies there all pushing their wares on the boards and trying to differentiate themselves with their "methods".  It gets into peoples heads, they expect a magic pill and start analysing everything through those lenses.

I dunno how that compares to PU in other big cities around the world.  I got off the London boards years ago because of the bad energy though.

Welcome to the UK

Full of weird circle jerking lair faggots. I've even met guys like that up north who talk about pua and don't do it.

Great.
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