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Whatsup guys, I like all these questions, it’s bringing up a lot of commonly discussed topics.
I’ve gotten a bunch of inner game questions, so this one, and probably a few others, will focus on getting your inner game handled.
Ready…
Here we go:
6am.sedna Wrote:
Went out on my first date…
One of the things I'd like some advice on is how do I make a girl comfortable around me and get her to ask me questions instead of me doing all the talking and asking? Is the girl not interested enough if she's not asking me questions about me? Or am I reading into it.

The fact that you are worried about if she likes you, or how much she is interested is what is making it awkward.
ASSUME ATTRACTRION! It takes care of everything and you can just talk. Whatever you feel she feels, so as long as you are uncomfortable thinking "Oh man, I don't think she is having fun." you are going to be in your head and uncomfortable and she will also be uncomfortable.
Chill back, smile, and have some fun. It doesn't matter what you are talking about, as long as you find it interesting, so will she.
ffioddjds
Ey Brad, I get a lot out of your articles, tight ass shit yo!
Anyways, the player "my game is a 10" frame is easy to reinforce if you're going out every night. And it happens with me whenever I go out especially multiple times a week; I just SNAP into that ultimate "me" identity. But, for guys who are busy with work, university, etc for weeks at a time, how do they keep that 10 player mentality without going out as frequently? Is there another way to reinforce that identity?
Thanx man!

The frame boils down to being higher value than the girl. That's what "my game is a 10" means.
It's like "I am enough, I am the coolest motherfucker here!"
I like calling it the Donald Trump frame.
How to reinforce this frame?
Well one way is in the club, getting reference points from approaching girls just being yourself, vomiting bullshit and escalating and getting a mental picture of girls responding positively.
But when you aren't in the club, what are other ways to reinforce that you are high value?
Anything! What do you value, what are your goals?
It's basic self actualization. How am I making myself more "attractive" i.e. more comfortable in my own skin, more experienced, more centered, knowing myself better so I can empathize with others.
It's basic inner game stuff.
I travel A LOT. My work allows it, and I take every opportunity to see the world and gain a better understanding so I am less prejudice and judgmental. When someone becomes less judgmental they also don't let others judge them. They are less likely to let others opinions define their identity and know themselves better and create their own identity.
I read A LOT. Learning about myself. The books I talked about in a previous article. Gaining a better understanding of my own thought processes, and how I can control them, transcend my emotions, all that kind of stuff.
I live LIFE. Embrace uncertainty and have fun. Don't stress about much, and realize that everything just kind of flows.
Stop fighting the current and just jump in and see where it takes you.

So now, when I go into a nightclub and some girl says "You're a player!"
I take a little snapshot of my life here... it's always in the back of your mind. Here's my subconscious thought pattern...
"Hmmm... How does this girl giving me shit fit into my reality? Travel. Actualization. Intellect. Work ethic... Ummm... Nope... It has no bearing whatsoever on anything... That's cute.... Cool..."
No emotional response.
And that builds HUGE amounts of attraction.
Also, the positive reframe is very important.
Anything you experience, read, think about, can be viewed in an empowering frame, or a negative one.
So in everything you do, you want to be like "Hell yeah, I'm motherfucking WINNING!!! I am the SHIT!!!" Everything.
And in comes my favorite quote...
There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. -Shakespeare
Ah, nice little diatribe, I’m sure you guys enjoy it. I enjoy the inner game stuff myself.
And as usual… A personal one:
Serpicoo Wrote:
Hi Brad. Did you have a 9-5 job when you were going out almost every night? And how did you make this work. Naps?
My schedule was like this...
7AM: Wakeup
8AM: Work
4PM: Get home from work, pass out
9PM: Get up, shower, Double shot of espresso, shot of rumplemintz with a chaser of Jujubees
11PM: Head to club
2AM: Head home
3-4AM: Pass out based on if I have an after party, or girl...
Pretty ridiculous, but it got me some SERIOUS results.
Mitizaro Wrote:
Brad - do you have small town experience?

(this pic actually makes the city look cool)
Ehh, I developed my game in Milwaukee, which is about 700,000 people, but more like only 15-20,000 actually might go out since it's very blue collar and there is only 2 universities in the area.
The big thing with small town game, is that you can't just go for broke like you can in Las Vegas or LA, because you are likely to see these girls again.
I talk about this in my article "How to game your city," where sometimes slowplaying interactions because I know I will see them again, unlike Vegas, where you might see a girl once, and then she's out of your life forever.
Usually there will be less cavemanning bitches in the corner in the small towns, more likely everyone knows everyone, so discreteness is key.
Also, to get really good at this shit, you are gonna have to do some traveling, There are only so many references points you can pickup in a small little community.
Travel to a new city for a weekend and try out some hardcore shit, you'll never see these girls again, so have some fun!
Those references points will help you out a lot once you get back home.
Peace out men and keep at it in the field. See ya soon.




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Do you just act as in night game? You go up to a girl full direct, I want you, I'm gonna make you mine, I want you in my bed? Or are you a little more discreet?
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My hometown has about 20 000 people :P NP.
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Assuming attraction is the end of game. To be able to assume you are attractive is to be attractive, because one can only assume something that is based on realized experience. No other way will do. So dont fool yourself. So dont tell a newbie to assume expertise. Thats like advicing someone who cant swim to just jump in the water and assume he wont drown. He will drown.
It is better to tell teach them how to swim like telling them reason on why they should assume attraction and active steps they can take to realize those reasons for themself.
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Awesome post :)))
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Loopin <3
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Hey Brad, if you are reading this, why do you think believing you are BETTER than the woman would be better than believing you are EQUAL? And do you also believe that using BR tonality is better than NR tonality?
And why?
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Hey Brad, if you are reading this, why do you think believing you are BETTER than the woman would be better than believing you are EQUAL? And do you also believe that using BR tonality is better than NR tonality?
And why?
So slowly through swinging the pendulum everything balances out and leads to a happy medium.
And to be truthful, I don't think women are equal value.
What can a woman offer me? Blowjobs? Cuddling? Bake me a cake?
And what can I offer her?
Bringing her into an amazing lifestyle, with amazing friends... Access to some of the best clubs/restaurants in the world. Amazing sex. Teach her things about herself. etc...
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Assuming attraction is the end of game. To be able to assume you are attractive is to be attractive, because one can only assume something that is based on realized experience. No other way will do. So dont fool yourself. So dont tell a newbie to assume expertise. Thats like advicing someone who cant swim to just jump in the water and assume he wont drown. He will drown.
It is better to tell teach them how to swim like telling them reason on why they should assume attraction and active steps they can take to realize those reasons for themself.
It is espoused so that the guy does not rely on external feedback to move the interaction forward. Stop looking for IOIs, stop looking for the girl to give you a signal before you move things forward or feel comfortable.
You can never turn off being sensitive to seeing these IOIs or IODs, but what you need to realize is that they have NO BEARING WHATSOEVER ON THE INTERACTION.
And most guys perceive the situation in a way that isn't going to move the interaction forward.
Like "Oh, she is moving away! She must not like me!"
When in reality she might be thinking "Wow, I really like him. I'm so nervous I can't even look him in the eyes right now!'
And when you realize that social dynamics is completely a self fulfilling prophecy, why not have only empowering thoughts.
If she is standing there.... She is attracted. Period.
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Assuming attraction is the end of game. To be able to assume you are attractive is to be attractive, because one can only assume something that is based on realized experience. No other way will do. So dont fool yourself. So dont tell a newbie to assume expertise. Thats like advicing someone who cant swim to just jump in the water and assume he wont drown. He will drown.
It is better to tell teach them how to swim like telling them reason on why they should assume attraction and active steps they can take to realize those reasons for themself.
It is espoused so that the guy does not rely on external feedback to move the interaction forward. Stop looking for IOIs, stop looking for the girl to give you a signal before you move things forward or feel comfortable.
You can never turn off being sensitive to seeing these IOIs or IODs, but what you need to realize is that they have NO BEARING WHATSOEVER ON THE INTERACTION.
And most guys perceive the situation in a way that isn't going to move the interaction forward.
Like "Oh, she is moving away! She must not like me!"
When in reality she might be thinking "Wow, I really like him. I'm so nervous I can't even look him in the eyes right now!'
And when you realize that social dynamics is completely a self fulfilling prophecy, why not have only empowering thoughts.
If she is standing there.... She is attracted. Period.
Loopin <3
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Do you never fall in love? Do you seriously never meet a woman that you feel is absolutely amazing? Are you happy?
Really consider that maybe you view all the women you meet as low value because you yourself has low value, and therefore you simply don't have the ability of getting with women who are high value. This doesn't mean that you can't get laid a lot, there are a lot of low value girls I am sure
Hey Brad, if you are reading this, why do you think believing you are BETTER than the woman would be better than believing you are EQUAL? And do you also believe that using BR tonality is better than NR tonality?
And why?
So slowly through swinging the pendulum everything balances out and leads to a happy medium.
And to be truthful, I don't think women are equal value.
What can a woman offer me? Blowjobs? Cuddling? Bake me a cake?
And what can I offer her?
Bringing her into an amazing lifestyle, with amazing friends... Access to some of the best clubs/restaurants in the world. Amazing sex. Teach her things about herself. etc...
Summit God~
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Do you never fall in love? Do you seriously never meet a woman that you feel is absolutely amazing? Are you happy?
Really consider that maybe you view all the women you meet as low value because you yourself has low value, and therefore you simply don't have the ability of getting with women who are high value. This doesn't mean that you can't get laid a lot, there are a lot of low value girls I am sure
Hey Brad, if you are reading this, why do you think believing you are BETTER than the woman would be better than believing you are EQUAL? And do you also believe that using BR tonality is better than NR tonality?
And why?
So slowly through swinging the pendulum everything balances out and leads to a happy medium.
And to be truthful, I don't think women are equal value.
What can a woman offer me? Blowjobs? Cuddling? Bake me a cake?
And what can I offer her?
Bringing her into an amazing lifestyle, with amazing friends... Access to some of the best clubs/restaurants in the world. Amazing sex. Teach her things about herself. etc...
By the way Brad can you answer my question about day game?
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Do you never fall in love? Do you seriously never meet a woman that you feel is absolutely amazing? Are you happy?
Really consider that maybe you view all the women you meet as low value because you yourself has low value, and therefore you simply don't have the ability of getting with women who are high value. This doesn't mean that you can't get laid a lot, there are a lot of low value girls I am sure
Hey Brad, if you are reading this, why do you think believing you are BETTER than the woman would be better than believing you are EQUAL? And do you also believe that using BR tonality is better than NR tonality?
And why?
So slowly through swinging the pendulum everything balances out and leads to a happy medium.
And to be truthful, I don't think women are equal value.
What can a woman offer me? Blowjobs? Cuddling? Bake me a cake?
And what can I offer her?
Bringing her into an amazing lifestyle, with amazing friends... Access to some of the best clubs/restaurants in the world. Amazing sex. Teach her things about herself. etc...
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By the way Brad can you answer my question about day game?
http://www.bradbranson.com/how-to-meet-women-during-the-day/
Loopin <3
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I don't expect you to. I have another interpretation of what PU is all about than Brad, but even as an "elite instructor" that doesn't guarantee that he is correct. I probably know a lot more about the "thinking" behind PU than you think, but believe what you will...
@ Marshen
Brad has another interpretation of PU than I have, which is fine, I will try to get out some posts of my own when I get the time, look for them, or don't.. But try and consider something, if Brad isn't able to view women as being of equal value as himself, do you think he will be able to view his students as equal value? And if he can't don't you think THAT will limit his ability to bringing the best out in his students? To me it seems like he is feeding peoples Ego's, not teaching PU, if you are of a different opinion it's totally up to you. But don't worry, I am going to lay off, just because going from a "I am better than women"-frame to a "I am just a guy, she is just a girl"-frame helped MY game tremendously, doesn't mean it will work for other people...
@Consistent
Thank you, I probably got a little too emotional, you are right about that, I don't disagree to everything Brad has to say, only most of it, and seems to me what he is trying to sell is exactly the magic pill that is going to get you nowhere, but then again, everybodys path is different.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCVQpcY1au4
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I am here to get better at pickup,to get laid,and have more funk and happiness in my life.
You guys are awsome!!
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I´m not sure about thinking i´m better than x, i just don´t compare myself, just dont think on those terms. Probably the being coolest than anybody else got misunderstood, but i believe that the main concept there is LIVING BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS, who the fuck are other people to set them for you, you live in your own reality, and since it´s yours, you rule in it. period, you´re the boss, hence, as far as you´re concerned, you´re the coolest.
Thanks Brad
Oh and BR tonality, is just fucking awesome, but as everything in game, it has to be balanced and calibrated.
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By the way Brad can you answer my question about day game?
http://www.bradbranson.com/how-to-meet-women-during-the-day/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCVQpcY1au4
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From one cool guy with good inner game to another thats perfect advice. But how many guys come to the community with tight inner game?? My guess is about 10%...
guys with weak inner game NEED good reference points or things will never change for them.
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But go for instance to a social meeting for university or work and you will meet different girls than in the nightclub scene. Ofcourse everybody goes clubbing from time to time but trust me, I know enough amazing girls who don't go clubbing that often, because they have better stuff to do or work on. I don't see women as just cuddling, baking cakes etc. Clubgirls yes. Girls I hang out with no. When you get into a relationship you learn a lot of stuff about yourself and you get introduced to her world too. Even if you think you have the coolest lifestyle. There are a lot of hotties out there with pretty cool lifestyles too and you should share your lifestyles with each other.
In that light.. I see women as equal if they are interesting enough too based on my standards. Ofcourse fuck/lay standards are different than relationship standards.
Hey Brad, if you are reading this, why do you think believing you are BETTER than the woman would be better than believing you are EQUAL? And do you also believe that using BR tonality is better than NR tonality?
And why?
So slowly through swinging the pendulum everything balances out and leads to a happy medium.
And to be truthful, I don't think women are equal value.
What can a woman offer me? Blowjobs? Cuddling? Bake me a cake?
And what can I offer her?
Bringing her into an amazing lifestyle, with amazing friends... Access to some of the best clubs/restaurants in the world. Amazing sex. Teach her things about herself. etc...
Summit God~
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Realize one thing guys: Men are supposed to be confident. Yes, sometimes the girls will be better than you. But you have to always trust in yourself that you can get any girl. Being realistic is BAD. Reality sucks. Every fucking person in this world manipulates reality to fit their needs.
So should you manipulate reality to think you're better than the girls? Yes you fucking should. Just have the balls to do it.
"Oh, I don't have enough inner game, I'm a fag". Go out and talk to girls. This is pure keyboard jockeying. ANYONE that goes out regularly knows that if you talk to an ugly or even cute girl at the mall, with NO GAME and NO LIFE you can get her.
So please, KJs stay at home and don't comment on Brad's material saying shit. Not trying to play the white knight here, I just share Brad's point of view and I think many people here are distorting it.
For everyone else who enjoys this post and took value out of it, high-five!
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"Oh, I don't have enough inner game, I'm a fag". Go out and talk to girls. This is pure keyboard jockeying. ANYONE that goes out regularly knows that if you talk to an ugly or even cute girl at the mall, with NO GAME and NO LIFE you can get her.
So please, KJs stay at home and don't comment on Brad's material saying shit. Not trying to play the white knight here, I just share Brad's point of view and I think many people here are distorting it.
I think the negatvie feedback will help brad more than the dick riders ever will.
that being said I read the article again and I think the part about identity and values is where the real solution for inner game lies, sorry for overlooking that the first time. good stuff.
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"Oh, I don't have enough inner game, I'm a fag". Go out and talk to girls. This is pure keyboard jockeying. ANYONE that goes out regularly knows that if you talk to an ugly or even cute girl at the mall, with NO GAME and NO LIFE you can get her.
So please, KJs stay at home and don't comment on Brad's material saying shit. Not trying to play the white knight here, I just share Brad's point of view and I think many people here are distorting it.
I think the negatvie feedback will help brad more than the dick riders ever will.
that being said I read the article again and I think the part about identity and values is where the real solution for inner game lies, sorry for overlooking that the first time. good stuff.
Besides, you have false associations. Quality pickup advice? Who says to be quality it has to be complex? Who says that telling you to shut the hell up with the complex and just take simple action is not actually the quality advice? Brad's post doesn't lack quality advice, it lacks complex advice. To me, simplicity is quality. Now you do whatever you want.
And besides, everybody here knows Brad's game from step one: Chill, almost lazy like style. So don't come and read expecting a Tyler-like breakdown of concepts and then troll like "BRAD YOUR GAME SHUCKS".
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I am not arguing about the "simplicity" of Brad's post, I like simplicity a lot myself, what I disagree on is on a value and mindset level, but mine is just as simple as Brads.
But I guess the only way is to explain my mindset and where it differs from Brads..
about believing that you can get any girl I 100% believe that I have that ability, even tho I know logically that nobody can "get" as in have sex with any girl, if you point out a girl, and I approach her, I know I am good enough for her, and that I can get her. This is NOT the important part of the mindset tho, and I believe it is very important not to IDENTIFY with this. I don't look myself in the mirror and say "I can get any girl, I am Gods gift to women". My mindset is in fact that I am JUST A GUY. And any girl I meet is JUST A GIRL. Any person I meet will therefore be perceived as just a guy/girl, and so as 100% equal value to me. If a person I meet perceives him/her self as either lower or higher value than me, then I believe that is the weirdest thing that has ever happened in my entire life, which shows in my facial expression/body language, and so has the effect of taking care of any kind of shit-test I might get early on, AND in the case of a person perceiving him/her self as lower value, brings the bests side out in these people. IOW I give LSE people confidence, and I bring HSE people down to earth.
Reinforcing this is the belief that value is 100% relative. I have a lifestyle that I absolutely love, and I love showing it to girls. But I love just as much to explore the reality of the girl, in fact I EXPECT a girl to show me her reality after I have shown her mine, and I expect it to be just as cool, and I expect HER to define what is cool in HER reality. This belief often result in the girl behaving in relation to this and so brings her up to my level.
I am not a master at explaining this stuff, but it is not only rediculously easy to get laid, but also girls fall madly in love with you, when you really internalise this stuff.
And you can maybe see how this mindset differs A LOT from Brad's on a very small but very important point. And if you have this mindset it will seem like Brad simply has not understood anything, even tho he is probably doing a lot of stuff right (At least I hope he is).
I will try to get a post out on what my pick-up looks like sometime in the future, and anyone is welcome to comment here if they feel like it. Like Brad for example? My bet is that you are reading the comments, since you probably used some time to write that article, so why not get in on the discussion?
And SaintPatrick, feel free to comment as well, but try to take it all a little less emotional, to be honest you seem to be the only guy trollin here, you seem to assume a lot...
I guess if someone really cared to find out what I am about, they could try and read my responses to threads, I have used quite some time responding to peoples sticking points..
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The mindset I am promoting actually correlates exactly with yours, but it comes from the concept of what Tyler has been teaching lately which involves humans having multiple personalities and using different ones at different times.
The reality that I am promoting is one of getting the girl to bed as quickly as possible, and dealing with whatever values and screening you want to do AFTER you hook up with her.
I'm talking ONS here, or quick day2 lay, leading to whatever after that, but I wanna get the sex out of the way as quickly as possible.
Sure, you can talk all you want about raising / lowering self esteem, looking for the best qualities in others and how we are all one or equal...
But to tell you the truth, I can't even remember the name of the last 3 girls I fucked, and didn't know anything else about them except for their age maybe...
Healthy... Probably not.
But potent? My clients aren't complaining, and neither am I.
Or the girls blasting my phone on the regular looking for repeat sessions for that matter.
I'm sure if we sat down and had a nice chat you'd agree 100%, but your taking the advice and trying to use it from the wrong context. Totally understandable if you are just getting started with RSD material. But if you are coming from a deep knowledge of RSD concepts... Blueprint, transformations, flawless natural...
YOu will see that concepts like being higher value, and assuming attraction have been around since 2005, and about as accepted as truth as gravity.
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I also really enjoy taking guys out, and showing them and teaching them my style (this is totally a hobby of mine, and I do it for free, so no need to delete my profile now moderators!), and my experience is that it is very common that guys try to have the mindsets that you promote, but absolutely misunderstands it, and then getting a more "relaxed" mindset helps their game tremendously.
So to be honest I think what this can really be boiled down to is if you go full circle or not. Some people just decide not to, and it's totally fine, and just two different styles of PU, so a preference really.
Now I agree to "assuming attraction", but yeah, not really to the concept of being "higher value" as we have discussed, since I view the realisation that in reality value doesn't exist as being "ultimate value", I guess you could put it like that. But I also seem to recall the concept of "not taking yourself too seriously", and I believe Tyler has been talking about this a lot actually or is it just me? And actually to be honest I don't recall Tyler talking about being "higher" value as the correct path, but only that viewing the girl as higher value is false, and the concept of "not taking yourself too seriously" AND all the hype about Tolle seems to support my belief that in fact the whole value-interpretation is false. And so yeah, based on my own experience and these concepts I view "being higher value" as a step in the wrong direction, or maybe just not going full circle, or for whatever reason not deciding to, because this is probably in all honesty a question so advanced that it IS infact a preference. And the guys who really get what you are teaching will probably be facing this "decision" themselves at some point..
So if we were to sit down having a nice chat, I believe we would both probably agree that we get this stuff about women, but still probably not agree to these differences in our mindsets. And probably when you are done with RSD at some point in your life, you will probably even decide to take on a mindset more like mine yourself. And that is coming from a guy that is younger than you, fancy that :-)
Lastly I want to let you know that even tho we have to agree to disagree a bit, your efforts are not wasted, since you seem to be a cooler guy than I firs anticipated.
Let me know what you think about this, do you totally disagree with this perspective?
The mindset I am promoting actually correlates exactly with yours, but it comes from the concept of what Tyler has been teaching lately which involves humans having multiple personalities and using different ones at different times.
The reality that I am promoting is one of getting the girl to bed as quickly as possible, and dealing with whatever values and screening you want to do AFTER you hook up with her.
I'm talking ONS here, or quick day2 lay, leading to whatever after that, but I wanna get the sex out of the way as quickly as possible.
Sure, you can talk all you want about raising / lowering self esteem, looking for the best qualities in others and how we are all one or equal...
But to tell you the truth, I can't even remember the name of the last 3 girls I fucked, and didn't know anything else about them except for their age maybe...
Healthy... Probably not.
But potent? My clients aren't complaining, and neither am I.
Or the girls blasting my phone on the regular looking for repeat sessions for that matter.
I'm sure if we sat down and had a nice chat you'd agree 100%, but your taking the advice and trying to use it from the wrong context. Totally understandable if you are just getting started with RSD material. But if you are coming from a deep knowledge of RSD concepts... Blueprint, transformations, flawless natural...
YOu will see that concepts like being higher value, and assuming attraction have been around since 2005, and about as accepted as truth as gravity.
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The problem is that you are trying to interpret the advice from your perspective as opposed to the questioner.
He's have issues with making the girl uncomfortable on a day2, therefore he is uncomfortable as well.
You talk about how coming "full circle" the whole assume attraction frame isn't the best, and that might be the case, but this guy hasn't even started his journey.
If you were to espouse something like "Oh yeah man, just realize we are all one, all equal, this girl could offer you so much, just look for it..." He's only going to go more into his head and get MORE nervous.
The more objective you can make it for a newbie the better. It's the same thing for approach anxiety in the club.
Different advice pertains to different periods of your cold approach skillset.
It's the same thing for a guy having problems getting the makeout.
Usually what I'll tell him is to go up to every set and try to makeout with the girl right after the opener. Then once it starts working to keep making out with girls all the time, until the guy gets sick of it.
Is this solid game? Absolutely not. But a guy needs to not put so much value on the makeout.
It would be like telling a newb "You know man, you don't wanna be the tacky makeout guy, just be chill and wait until you get home." Which allows him to rationalize not escalating, and then either blowing himself out of set for not taking action, or even being more nervous if he gets her back to his place.
I have plenty of articles for guys at the advanced level as well, with similar concepts to what you are bringing up, particularly "I fall in love with every girl" and "how to get the girl to invest", and I actually probably prefer talking about that stuff.
But after doing bootcamps every weekend for the past 2 years you realize that the main demographic of our clients are newbies and beginners, with RSDNation probably being more like 95% of guys who AREN'T EVEN GOING OUT.
So I try to find a healthy balance between newb material and advanced stuff.
Cheers
Brad
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You are actually absolutely right, It has become very hard for me to understand how anyone can have trouble with this in the first place. For me, learning PU seems equivalent to a guy trying to fix what appears to be a broken TV, when in fact the only thing that's wrong is that he forgot to put the plug in the socket, and simply telling him what is wrong won't work, because he is not able to see that it is so. Kindof like Eckhart Tolle talking about the poor man sitting on the chest of gold, but not realising it. And it also relates to what Alan Watts talks about in this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUXodFgbDfQ that NewMan originally posted in a thread here on rsdn.
Even if a guy is a virgin, and has never spoken to a woman in his entire life, there is absolutely no reason that guy should not be able to get it, but at the same time he won't in by far the most cases because he will rationalize that he is not yet able to get it and need to do something else in order to get there, iow postponement.
I really believed for a long time that as long as you went out and did your approaches, there was no way you would not get good at this eventually, but I have seen some guys who have gone out insane amounts of time, and done insane amounts of approaches, who has not gotten anywhere what so ever. And I have seen the opposite, guys who have little to no experience, who just GETS IT somehow..
Looking back, what has helped me is probably still the experiences that I have gotten from going out. And what got me to go out a lot was some mindset very similar to the ones you teach, Brad. I specifically remember 10-20 pick ups that I have done, that were huge epiphanies for me.
Actually fun that you mention makeouts, because I LOVED to practice getting instant-makeouts (I still love to go for them every once in a while today) and going for this over and over taught me so much. The reason I believe that it is such a good way to train, is because when you go for the kiss, there is simply no way the woman can lie to you, you will know EXACTLY what she thinks of you. AND it teaches you so much about flirting, eye-contact, bodylanguage, all that subtle stuff that is so dominantly important.
To give an example of a pick-up that meant a lot to me could be the first time I met a girl in a bus, or actually the bus broke, and everybody had get out, and then I saw a hot girl and approached her, but inside my head it still counted as a "bus-pick-up", and so it allowed me to get the experience that picking up girls in busses was possible for me, and busses and trains then became another place for me where I could meet women.
So to sum it up, whatever it is that can give a guy the confidence to go out and get these kinds of "enlightening experiences", and the confidence to go for makeouts and see what happens, if the alternative is to not even approach, then I guess you have already come a long way. If what allows you to get these experiences is believing that you are the sickest motherfucker on the planet, then you do that, and if the mindset that all people are of equal value fits you better, then you go with that one.
The reason that equal value mindset works better for me than higher value mindset is because with a higher value mindset, if I make the mistake of identifying with it, I am likely to become outcome-dependent since a rejection will hurt my identity as a guy who can get all women. With the mindset of being "just a guy", there isn't this risk simply because identifying oneself with "being just a guy" is the same as NOT identifying oneself with anything. The problem ofcourse with my mindset is that if you are not a naturally confident guy, then believing that you are "just a guy" might not boost your confidence enough to get you doing anything. And the fact ofcourse is, that no matter how attractive you are, if you never even speak with a woman, then your chances are pretty close to zero for getting with her.....
That was one very long post, and I even felt like I tried to make it short. But I felt it was very interesting to think this stuff through one more time, and I kindof just let myself write as I was thinking to myself, so I honestly don't even know if it is readable.
All roads lead to Rome I guess, and Brad, thanks for the discussion, it has been a pleasure!
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Naturally the rhythm in day 2s escalation is slower, as it's day game. However, is the mindset exactly the same? I remember at the Summit presentation you mentioning day 2 is just more time so the girl trusts you enough to fuck her. So, even though escalation's slower, is your mindset exactly the same? Full direct, same tonality/spacing/positioning?
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Another key point is 1. make sure the date is close to you - my date spot is literally accross the street to my apt and 2. move her around, make the d2 interactive, either playing darts or pool or moving her to different bars etc. It then feels like you've been together forever. I usually take my dates to the first bar near my apt, which is a wine bar, lounge and basement club all in one and move her to each part of that venue. Then I take her to a bar EVEN closer to my apt before suggesting we check out my rooftop. Of course we need drinks first so we go to my apt to get drinks and usually never make it to the roof (unless I really like the girl and then I take her there after we're finished) :)
Hope that helps.
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Another key point is 1. make sure the date is close to you - my date spot is literally accross the street to my apt and 2. move her around, make the d2 interactive, either playing darts or pool or moving her to different bars etc. It then feels like you've been together forever. I usually take my dates to the first bar near my apt, which is a wine bar, lounge and basement club all in one and move her to each part of that venue. Then I take her to a bar EVEN closer to my apt before suggesting we check out my rooftop. Of course we need drinks first so we go to my apt to get drinks and usually never make it to the roof (unless I really like the girl and then I take her there after we're finished) :)
Hope that helps.
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